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The violation or otherwise is irrelevant, so we can move on.
OK. You can't cite a volation. Maybe that's because none exists?
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OK. You can't cite a volation. Maybe that's because none exists?
As I indicated violation or otherwise is independent of the issue of instantaneous. You raised the issue of violation so you can prove or disprove it to your preference, however it makes no difference. It's irrelevant to the burden of proof and thus to the case in question about what's viewed as being instantaneous.
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As I indicated violation or otherwise is independent of the issue of instantaneous. You raised the issue of violation so you can prove or disprove it to your preference, however it makes no difference. It's irrelevant to the burden of proof and thus to the case in question about what's viewed as being instantaneous.
Instantaneous is well-defined in the context of power and energy. As, indeed are the terms power and energy themselves.
And you want proof? Well here's what happens when you put a generator on line:

Note that power has an instantaneous non-zero value. No passage of time required.
The instantaneous value for energy is zero. It cannot instantaneously have a value - in short you simply can't get instantaneous energy.
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Instantaneous is well-defined in the context of power and energy. As, indeed are the terms power and energy themselves.
And you want proof? Well here's what happens when you put a generator on line:

Note that power has an instantaneous non-zero value. No passage of time required.
The instantaneous value for energy is zero. It cannot instantaneously have a value - in short you simply can't get instantaneous energy.
In short, that's not proof, just a pretty picture. Instantaneous energy exists.
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In short, that's not proof, just a pretty picture..
OK. Point out where it is flawed.

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As I indicated violation or otherwise is independent of the issue of instantaneous. You raised the issue of violation so you can prove or disprove it to your preference, however it makes no difference. It's irrelevant to the burden of proof and thus to the case in question about what's viewed as being instantaneous.
thats amazing !!!!
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thats amazing !!!!
Astonishing.
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OK. Point out where, as a proof, it is flawed.
It just re-enforces your own reasoning about energy and power and your notion of instantaneous, but doesn't prove that energy cannot be instantaneous. It might suggest your diagram reflects your point, but that does not automatically translate to your point being correct. Energy is always with us.
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Astonishing.
I guess some people are easily amazed and astonished.
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It just re-enforces your own reasoning about energy and power and your notion of instantaneous..
Nope. Not mine. Just simple physics.
Where exactly is the physics flawed?
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