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Old 20th-February-2008, 12:20 AM
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atdub,
Is this a sufficient answer Mr. Atdub ???
Haha well it is an answer at least.

- Your criticism is based on the subsidy scheme for the US wind market.
- "sufficient" wind regimes are a function of the market as the wind regime is proportional to the wind farm revenue.
- subsidy schemes and market protection alter this market, thus changing the "sufficient" threshold for investors.

Therefore, the case is independent of the technology. You could rant about any market with these instruments in place (and there are PLEEENTY)

- the wind industry is not full of frauds and con artists, it has the same relative percentage as all industries.

- i don't like these market instruments either but we won't see proper penalties for other generation markets for a while yet.

- industrial zones have poor wind due to increased surface roughness and turbulence from developedment.

- I agree about the community based projects however I'm yet to be satisfied with the definition of the "community" as generally the capital is beyond the means of the area directly affected by the development, so its just publicly owned with a fancy name.

- I have not endorsed any specific site or area of the US for wind farm development so please don't put words in my mouth.

-if you have a beef with government spending with no economic foresight target the iraq war.

however I like decentralised generation more as well.
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atdub,

Sufficient wind standard must be based on common sense. If the wind don't blow to generate meaningful electricity, turbines should not be erected!

Read the following: Is it the end of the road for independent wind farms?

Is it the end of the road for independent wind farms? - 18 Feb 2008 - BusinessGreen

For those who advocate industrial wind project, why don't they DEMAND independent ownership and community benefit as the price for gov't approval?

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There was a husband-and-wife team assigned by GE to help run Enron's windpower projects. After Enron went bust, the couple started Clipper Windpower in Santa Barbara and, from what I understand, are doing a great job - with real windpower projects - and are very successful. So it wasn't all bad.
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PlantGreen,

Clipper Windpower has serious problems with their turbines. Investigate the reasons why their Clipper turbines needed to be disassembled at Steelwinds, near Buffalo.

Our own experience is that the blades don't fit on their units here in Cohocton. They were put up just for show. Work has stopped because the same gearbox problem with the Steelwinds turbines can't be solved.

Also, Clipper Windpower is traded on the London exchange so that they can avoid all SEC regulation. If they were a responsible company, how do you explain all the lengths they go to to avoid government oversight?

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