Over 7000 Solar Panels...On One Skyscraper!

[Richard]

Originally Posted by porges37mer

Agreed, for you and me, because hey, we do the best we can. But, for big corporations or people w/ money, I say if they want to help build a green energy infrastructure, that is fine by me. Cause that is all carbon credits are. Cheers

We're talking about carbon offsets though and at the moment the ones you can buy don't really work. Blackfoxtrade posted a link to a report on them that makes interesting reading:

http://www.theenvironmentsite.org/Fo...er=asc&start=0

[porges37mer]

Yes, it was an interesting read thank you.
Well, in America we are just beginning to create a green energy infrastructure. I guess in Europe they are doing the same thing, only way more ahead of us. Maybe instead of putting money into small projects that may or may not account for much, the money just goes into a gov't controlled fund. This fund could then be used to propel real and usable projects. Unless this is already happening, but I guess that is what taxes are for... This could be something extra like giving to a charity, eh?
In the long run, I agree, the current system is no good, which is why I haven't put any money towards carbon credits. Cheers

[Richard]

Governments can do things but they are notoriously inefficient. The private sector is usually more efficient but there's always the risk of profiteering because of a lack of regulations (basically this is what seems to be happening with most of the current carbon offset companies).

Perhaps more regulation is needed, but I'd still prefer to leave it to the private sector if possible.

[poe4958]

Originally Posted by delboy

Sorry, covering the whole building with solar panels and getting 24 wind turbines will provide them with TEN PER CENT of their energy? That's pathetic! And how long before they recoup their investment at that rate? Assuming they do, that is - presumably the panels have a limited working life.

And before someone says "It's not about the money" my point is that there's not much incentive for companies to do this if they're making a loss.

And where are the windows?

I also think so ,as an enterprise,make money is their final aim .they have to consider the the cost ,and is that cost-effective ?just for 10% energy ! unbelievable ! perhaps the cost of the panel is still too high !
and yes ,so where is the window !

[BillJ]

Originally Posted by delboy

Sorry, covering the whole building with solar panels and getting 24 wind turbines will provide them with TEN PER CENT of their energy? That's pathetic! And how long before they recoup their investment at that rate? Assuming they do, that is - presumably the panels have a limited working life.

And before someone says "It's not about the money" my point is that there's not much incentive for companies to do this if they're making a loss.

And where are the windows?

According to this site, the panels on this building are good for about 50 years and can be recycled.
http://www.modbs.co.uk/news/fullstor...ar_energy.html

Of course PV panels aren't even remotely cost-effective where line power is available. I'm pretty confident that even a diesel generator would be considerably cheaper. But it's still a new technology, and the more use it gets the faster it will develop. Projects like this are useful for that purpose.

[LMagic007]

I agree totally. We can't afford to wait for the perfect solution of 100% solar wind powered before we decide to do anything constructive. Even 10% is better than nothing and if they are willing to do it, then good luck to them.

That aside, part of the solution is being seen to be green, even if only in a small way. There is allot of psychology to the process of change. Being out there, being seen, it all counts toward the momentum for change on a larger scale.

You have to crawl before you can walk and walk before you can run ! It's all a process of evolution. If man always waited for the perfect conditions and the perfect solution, then nothing would ever happen because that situation never exists.

We humans would not evolve as a species if we took that attitude. Change occurs at the fringes and then over time envelops the mainstream populations. That's the way of evolution on every level.

I say go for it ! Get the message out there ! BIG and LOUD ! Like it not, that's the type of world we live in today.

Plus by having a go it helps us to experiment and find out which way is likely to be the most effective. We can't simply hope to develop the best solution in a lab somewhere, it has to be tried in the market.

[LMagic007]

Very impressive. It's quite clear things are hotting up on the solar front.

[thesolarshark]

That is just an awesome idea.

[walk]

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Impressive. Thanks suz1002 for the post.

My thought, among others, is if all of this effort & expense is
providing them with a mere 10% then they be using too much power.
Better conservation methods & devices could add perhaps an additional 20%.


Still, it's a fine project that will hopefully will get better with time.
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