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Old 20th-February-2007, 08:03 PM
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Default Cheap solar power poised to undercut oil and gas by half

Interesting article in the Telegraph yesterday.

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Within five years, solar power will be cheap enough to compete with carbon-generated electricity, even in Britain, Scandinavia or upper Siberia. In a decade, the cost may have fallen so dramatically that solar cells could undercut oil, gas, coal and nuclear power by up to half. Technology is leaping ahead of a stale political debate about fossil fuels.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/mai...9/ccview19.xml
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Old 20th-February-2007, 08:09 PM
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Sweet. Now that's the type of product I've been looking for. I only hope it lives up the the hype. I'd love to make an investment when I buy a house and then not have to worry about electricity bills ever again!
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Old 20th-February-2007, 08:12 PM
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This stuff sounds incredibly interesting. A solar film would be ideal for lots of places.
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Old 20th-February-2007, 08:17 PM
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If this ever works, it would be amazing! Wind power is good, but people always can still complain about birds being killed by the unsightly turbines. With solar power, what can anyone complain about, I mean how can you not love easy clean energy?
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Best is to combine wind and solar, then you can kill the birds for pooping on your solar panels.
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One thing not mentioned is that PV panels are only part of a PV system. That $3-4/W quoted for "solar power" only includes the PV panels. Throw in inverters, hardware, and installation and you're talking $8-10/W. As a result, if the costs of the inverters, hardware, and installation don't drop it doesn't matter how cheap the panels get -- they could be free and PV would still be uncompetitive with fossil fuels.

My point is that PV cannot "clobber" fossil fuels based on development of the PV panels alone. This is significant because a number of companies are promising super low-cost modules in relatively short time frames and claiming they will meet the magical $1/W milestone required for cost-effective PV. What they neglect is that this milestone depends on other components of the PV system reaching cost milestones of their own, and accelerating the timetable on a single component -- in this case, the PV modules -- will not do much to accelerate the timetable for PV systems as a whole.

In short, if they claim they will "clobber" fossil fuels on an accelerated time schedule on the basis of PV module cost alone, their goals are critically dependent upon other companies doing half the work for them. That's not to say that pursuing low cost on an accelerated timetable is a bad thing; rather, it is to say that even if we have modules at $0.80/W in five years, PV will not necessarily be clobbering fossil fuels. And modules for $0.50/W will most certainly not undercut coal and nuclear by 50%, though that might be the case if the entire PV system costs $0.50/W.

I have much more faith in manufacturers who are looking at the entire PV system, even if they do not themselves manufacture or install the other components. Crystalline silicon manufacturers are much more mature than their thin-film counterparts in this regard, and I don't think thin-film companies will be as competitive as they can be until they collectively learn this lesson no matter how low their module costs are. Some of them do -- First Solar comes to mind -- but it appears that Flisom does not.
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While it certainly warms my heart to hear solar will "clobber" fossil fuels within ten years, I somehow doubt the timetable will be met, probably for some of the reasons listed by David.

Hopefully a combination of carbon taxes to the fossil fuel industry, or increasing emission standards, which lower their returns, or the depletion of shallow, high-purity deposits will drive the cost of fossil fuel power up to meet solar at some price which is reachable sooner, rather than later.
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Its already starting to happen. Check out my post:
http://www.theenvironmentsite.org/Fo...b96a36e8d46058
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Its already starting to happen. Check out my post:
http://www.theenvironmentsite.org/Fo...b96a36e8d46058
It's ok, you don't need to mention it in every post
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it means cheap energy low hydro bills thats kewllllllllllllllllllllllll
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