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Old 11th-January-2006, 12:48 PM
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Hi,
I am trying in internet a tab solar flux/temperature.

I know the points (solar flux/temperature) of the planets only...
The point of Mercury, for example, is 1 w/cmq; 700 °K that
is much interesting...
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Old 11th-January-2006, 01:09 PM
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Sorry Ken but I don't understand quite what you're asking
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Old 21st-January-2006, 07:28 AM
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Don't bother! Environmentalists have proven beyond a shadow of doubt that the earth is heated by humans - not the sun!
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Old 21st-January-2006, 10:57 PM
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Don't bother! Environmentalists have proven beyond a shadow of doubt that the earth is heated by humans - not the sun!
Friggin dork, then what are you doing at an environmental site except harassing. You are so full of manure it is pathetic, and obviously are a high school dropout. You are too young to have actually felt or observed climate enough.
Sure solar energy varies on several cycles, the 11 years sunspot cycle, and a 10,000 year increased activity cycle. The 10% gain >>>>certainly affects climate and mutation rate<<<<. The entrapment is mitigated by lower CO2 levels and reflectivity increase by more clouds. During ice ages it is reflected off by the ice/snow fields. Water vapor generally mitigates heat gain from solar energy fluctuation. Higher CO2 and methane levels cause warming, and higher upper level ozone prevents too much spontaneous mutation and skin cancers. Orbital perterbation brings on an ice age when the rotational tilt is at its maximum of 23 degrees. The cooling by spending more time further away from the sun is the most powerful of all climate effects. The climate fluctuation caused by human output is a one time deal that most scientists think will have a 500 year negative effect. >>>95% of scientists back mitigating CO2 human output to prevent too much extreme fluctuation, methane adding to a possible runaway, as temps increase.
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Old 22nd-January-2006, 07:03 AM
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Oh but you've sure got everything working like clockwork, haven't you? 11-year solar cycle, etc. And everything just HAS to follow these silly little observations as though they were great laws of the universe that even the sun itself has to follow for fear of retribution of the gods... or even worse - a scolding from The Great mgopilot!!!

So the last observed peak was in 2001, and the next one's expected in 2012, right? Well, the sun's decided that it's not interested in that today. See, you have to at least not be so naive to think that science makes any attempt to set out laws for nature to follow, but merely observes nature to try to understand it.

As for what you think of me is indicative of just how off-base your estimates are in general! But, I digress.

So back to the sun not obeying the 11-year cycle you think it is obliged to follow. 28 October 2003 saw the third largest recoded storm classified X17.2. To give you an idea of that magnitude, in March '89, an X15 knocked out power for millions of people in Canada. In 2001, two unexpected (even for being in the 11-year peak) X20's occurred.

By April 25 last year, sunspot 756 had already grown to five times the size of the earth, when it is very unusual for sunspots to even be appearing during a solar minimum!

So keep 'em peeled in 2012. Might not necessarily happen, but it looks like we might just be in for a really dramatic solar maximum!

And if you honestly think that our planet's heating has nothing to do with the sun, then you need to climb out of your cave de glace sometime, and look upwards - you'll notice a big yellow thing in the sky - if it wan't for that thing, the earth would be experiencing a temperature of near 3K!
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Old 22nd-January-2006, 04:58 PM
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Why don't you read what I said again. Perhaps you need glasses.
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Old 22nd-January-2006, 05:16 PM
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Why don't you read what I said again. Perhaps you need glasses.
I'll consider your reply as your capitulation on this matter then. :P
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Old 22nd-January-2006, 07:10 PM
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Come on guys, I'm not sure this argument is really helping answer the original question
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Old 27th-January-2006, 12:49 AM
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Sorry...
The table is not necessary.
Infact Venus has a temperature about 570 °C and the same solar
radiation of earth because it reflects a lot of it: Venus 70%,
Earth 40%

60%(Solar radiation of earth) =30%( solar radiation of Venus) =
30% (2 x solar radiation of earth) = 60%(solar radiation of earth)

It's an identity........
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