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Worley Parsons says it wants to build 34 250-megawatt power stations in Australia by 2020.
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WorleyParsons, Australia's biggest engineering company, is studying the construction of the world's biggest project producing power from the sun's heat, tapping incentives for renewable energy generation.
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An initial 250-megawatt unit may start up in 2011 at a cost of about $1 billion, Peter Meurs, managing director of WorleyParsons' EcoNomics unit, said today in Sydney. Some $34 billion of projects may be built by 2020, by companies including BHP Billiton and Rio Tinto, he said
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Lots of conditionals.
Which make the "Worley Parsons to build 34 250-megawatt power stations" perhaps just a tad premature?
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Lots of conditionals.
Which make the "Worley Parsons to build 34 250-megawatt power stations" perhaps just a tad premature?
Perhaps in your mind, not mine. Conditionals apply to near everything in life. You would have to ask them the answer to that, being that they have made the announcement and it's their baby. I guess the odd premature baby does emerge from time to time, however having watched the interview on ABC, it did seem that a belief was this would come about in the course of the timeline as outlined. i.e. by 2020

Of course much will depend on the success or otherwise of the first solar thermal plant. If its a winner, then I expect that will set the stage for future developments.

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I can't think of any convincing reason to make it impossible. We have a new government that is far more environmentally aware than the previous government and I don't doubt they will do their best to encourage this kind of development. Australia has the technology, resources and conditions to make it achievable. Thus I'm confident it will be successful in the long term, though no doubt as par for course, there will also be challenges.
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Perhaps in your mind, not mine.
Probably in the mind of anyone who reads beyond the misleading headline.
"Worley Parsons to build 34 250-megawatt power stations" makes it a done deal.

"the first venture may be approved for construction early next year and start up in 2011"
says something else entirely.

I was commenting on that disparity.
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Probably in the mind of anyone who reads beyond the misleading headline.

"Worley Parsons to build 34 250-megawatt power stations" makes it a done deal.

"the first venture may be approved for construction early next year and start up in 2011" says something else entirely.

I was commenting on that disparity.
It's evident that's their intention. If you read other articles you will get varied information. It's been said that the backing of some big players like BHP will be important to help make it successful, as well as government support, carbon trading scheme implemented successfully etc... but that's really swatting at flies as our government has a mandate for 20% renewable by 2020. It's not rocket science, just a commitment of resources and a determination to see it through.

Australia has the environmental conditions well suited to solar thermal technology. I expect they will deliver, but it will depend on the success of the first plant, though I have no reason to think the Aussies can't do it successfully. AUSRA an Australian originated company manufactures utility scale solar power generation systems in the USA and also has an Australian presence. You can be a doubting Thomas if you like, while I choose to believe we can and will succeed with significant implementation of solar thermal energy in Australia.
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It's evident that's their intention.
Their wish, actually.
It doesn't stop the headline from being misleading.
It isn't a done deal yet.
That was the only point I was making.
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Their wish, actually.
It doesn't stop the headline from being misleading.
It isn't a done deal yet. That was the only point I was making.
Perhaps you might you find the headline misleading. I haven't seen the words "done deal" used in any of the articles. I suspect it's your interpretation. It's clear that's their intention to go for 34 by 2020, notwithstanding other relevant factors important for success, outlined in some of the articles. The point you raise does not concern me, as I see the bigger picture as more important.

It can be said that the impacts of Climate Change are not certain, but most people still believe on balance we will be in trouble if we do nothing about it, regardless of what's written in the headlines about it every other day. I think what's important is that they have announced their intention, which is bold, and if the big backers line up, that will add weight to their momentum. It's evident they have access to the technical ability to deliver and I suspect it's mainly business conditions that will be the biggest challenge, but as indicated, our government has a 20% renewable by 2020 commitment to help make these sorts of projects happen.
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It's evident that's their intention. If you read other articles you will get varied information. It's been said that the backing of some big players like BHP will be important to help make it successful, as well as government support, carbon trading scheme implemented successfully etc... but that's really swatting at flies as our government has a mandate for 20% renewable by 2020. It's not rocket science, just a commitment of resources and a determination to see it through.

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Perhaps you might you find the headline misleading. I haven't seen the words "done deal" used in any of the articles. I suspect it's your interpretation.
"Worley Parsons to build 34 250-megawatt power stations"
What's to interpret? It is written as a statement of fact, a matter of certainty. For it to be so, it would have to be a done deal.
It isn't. As such, it is misleading.
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Perhaps you might you find the headline misleading. I haven't seen the words "done deal" used in any of the articles. I suspect it's your interpretation. It's clear that's their intention to go for 34 by 2020, notwithstanding other relevant factors important for success, outlined in some of the articles. The point you raise does not concern me, as I see the bigger picture as more important.

It can be said that the impacts of Climate Change are not certain, but most people still believe on balance we will be in trouble if we do nothing about it, regardless of what's written in the headlines about it every other day. I think what's important is that they have announced their intention, which is bold, and if the big backers line up, that will add weight to their momentum. It's evident they have access to the technical ability to deliver and I suspect it's mainly business conditions that will be the biggest challenge, but as indicated, our government has a 20% renewable by 2020 commitment to help make these sorts of projects happen.


As for the validity of Climate Change my Dad works at the Dept of Agriculture(in W.A.) and has told me for about a year that there is far from consensus on the matter but the whole thing is about insuring against the worst as there is some evidence that there could be a big problem.

You don't buy insurance because you know your house is going to burn down: you insure it because it might!

Apparently the science says enough to be worried but science is a prick of a subject...

...how do you measure all the variables?!?

...what are all the variables?!?

...what is "Chaos theory" again?!?

The only thing I know beyond a shadow of a doubt is that National Geographic talked about melting Glacier Parks years ago!

But, [throws hands up in air], I just don't want the non-solution of the Nuclear Genie to set it's foot down under under the guise of being the AGW saviour: that's my caper!

The Solid Silver Spirit Surfer in the Sky tells me that Genie is a pussy!

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