Go Back   The Environment Site Forums > Energy Forums > Solar Energy Forum

Notices

Solar Energy Forum I have no doubt that we will be successful in harnessing the sun's energy.... If sunbeams were weapons of war, we would have had solar energy centuries ago. ~Sir George Porter

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 23rd-July-2008, 03:43 PM
Forum Hermit
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Amsterdam, Holland
Posts: 1,074
arno is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Saharan sun's solar power could provide Europe's electricity

Speaking at the Euroscience Open Forum in Barcelona, Arnulf Jaeger-Walden of the European commission's Institute for Energy, said it would require the capture of just 0.3% of the light falling on the Sahara and Middle East deserts to meet all of Europe's energy needs.

Solar power from Saharan sun could provide Europe's electricity, says EU | Environment | The Guardian
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 23rd-July-2008, 07:08 PM
LMagic007's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,892
LMagic007 is on a distinguished road
Default

More info here;

The DESERTEC Concept and the Studies

The future is today.
__________________
Tomorrows realities, emerge from today's dreams. Live the dream !
Cheers, 007
Quote:
Parabolic trough plants could yield capacity factors greater than 70%, competing directly with future baseload coal plants. NREL: TroughNet - Parabolic Trough Power Plant Market, Economic Assessment and Deployment
Green Instantaneous Energy ! Massive Electrical Storage ! Ultracapacitors Minutes Charging
Disclaimer. Interpret posts with discretion. Conduct research and investigations to satisfy your judgement.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 24th-July-2008, 06:36 AM
include's Avatar
Forum Hermit
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Australia
Posts: 1,796
include is on a distinguished road
Default

Seen this kind of thing bandied about a few times. Hopefully sometime the technology and economics will converge to make it happen.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 24th-July-2008, 08:06 AM
LMagic007's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,892
LMagic007 is on a distinguished road
Default

Indeed. Big ideas usually take time to evolve into reality, obviously as much more planning and ground work work has to be done.
__________________
Tomorrows realities, emerge from today's dreams. Live the dream !
Cheers, 007
Quote:
Parabolic trough plants could yield capacity factors greater than 70%, competing directly with future baseload coal plants. NREL: TroughNet - Parabolic Trough Power Plant Market, Economic Assessment and Deployment
Green Instantaneous Energy ! Massive Electrical Storage ! Ultracapacitors Minutes Charging
Disclaimer. Interpret posts with discretion. Conduct research and investigations to satisfy your judgement.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 25th-July-2008, 12:21 AM
Eco Nut
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 319
Wowbagger
Default

There's so much we could do in the sahara. Personnally, I'd like to see a very large complex of greenhouses housing large fields of plants, recolted by robotic harms, and producing enough food for billions of people.

One can dream...
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 25th-July-2008, 02:46 PM
LMagic007's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,892
LMagic007 is on a distinguished road
Default

Yes there is great potential if we aspire to high environmental standards. The one thing that concerns me about the nature of man is this seeming obsession with bigger is better industrial growth at all costs. The way our economies are linked to unsustainable long term growth sometimes scares me, when you consider the vested public interested in this monstrosity of an infrastructure we have created that dominates our lives and largely defines our very existence and yet to now see the fragility of the system we have depended on for years, showing its cracks. Anyway back on topic, and talking about sustainability and adopting technologies that could make it so, such as solar energy etc.. Yes I agree DESERTEC could have great potential and really I do think its the way of the future. We are all going to have to learn to live on less and marry that with the emerging renewable energy technologies that might just help save us in the end. I guess they call it evolution on all fronts.
__________________
Tomorrows realities, emerge from today's dreams. Live the dream !
Cheers, 007
Quote:
Parabolic trough plants could yield capacity factors greater than 70%, competing directly with future baseload coal plants. NREL: TroughNet - Parabolic Trough Power Plant Market, Economic Assessment and Deployment
Green Instantaneous Energy ! Massive Electrical Storage ! Ultracapacitors Minutes Charging
Disclaimer. Interpret posts with discretion. Conduct research and investigations to satisfy your judgement.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 26th-July-2008, 05:06 PM
Besoeker's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 897
Besoeker is an unknown quantity at this point
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by include View Post
Seen this kind of thing bandied about a few times. Hopefully sometime the technology and economics will converge to make it happen.
And the politics.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 28th-July-2008, 08:58 AM
hoon's Avatar
Forum Hermit
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: London
Posts: 1,513
hoon is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Besoeker View Post
And the politics.
I would think that's the main barrier. Not sure I really want to rely on some of those governments for my power.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 28th-July-2008, 01:33 PM
LMagic007's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,892
LMagic007 is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hoon View Post
I would think that's the main barrier. Not sure I really want to rely on some of those governments for my power.
With regard too nations dependency on foreign energy, the world is already at the mercy of foreign politics and government instability, combined with a dwindling supply of cheap oil. I don't think any country would be stupid enough to solely rely on one source of energy. It doesn't really matter. Those countries that choose to buy imported electricity will do so and those that would rather not who can find alternatives, won't. I suspect though in the longer term, the reality will eventually be too good to refuse. i.e. cheaper energy prices than fossil fuelled and other non renewable competition. Additionally I would expect that the west nations would not hesitate to intervene militarily if they felt that foreign electricity supplies provided by a second or third world nation were at risk. Most of us in the developed world are simply too addicted to energy nowadays.
__________________
Tomorrows realities, emerge from today's dreams. Live the dream !
Cheers, 007
Quote:
Parabolic trough plants could yield capacity factors greater than 70%, competing directly with future baseload coal plants. NREL: TroughNet - Parabolic Trough Power Plant Market, Economic Assessment and Deployment
Green Instantaneous Energy ! Massive Electrical Storage ! Ultracapacitors Minutes Charging
Disclaimer. Interpret posts with discretion. Conduct research and investigations to satisfy your judgement.

Last edited by LMagic007; 28th-July-2008 at 01:39 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 28th-July-2008, 02:26 PM
LMagic007's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,892
LMagic007 is on a distinguished road
Default

PS News Break. It's time for our regular news feed; "An attack on a Nigerian oil pipeline has pushed oil above $124 a barrel." ABC news 28 Jul 2008.
__________________
Tomorrows realities, emerge from today's dreams. Live the dream !
Cheers, 007
Quote:
Parabolic trough plants could yield capacity factors greater than 70%, competing directly with future baseload coal plants. NREL: TroughNet - Parabolic Trough Power Plant Market, Economic Assessment and Deployment
Green Instantaneous Energy ! Massive Electrical Storage ! Ultracapacitors Minutes Charging
Disclaimer. Interpret posts with discretion. Conduct research and investigations to satisfy your judgement.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 09:26 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC5
The Environment Site
Google