Australian Solar Thermal ideas get to 2020 summit

[LMagic007]

Australian Solar Thermal ideas get to 2020 national summit of ideas.

3. Population, sustainability, climate change and water


PLEASE INVITE PATRICK GLYNN TO THE 2020 SUMMIT. To become a global leader within the next decade in the new low carbon technologies & industries and to address our energy needs we need to embrace the ideas of Patrick Glynn (CSIRO) in his article “A Stirling Idea” http://www.publish.csiro.au/?act=vie...d=EC124p28.pdf .

He has developed a 5kw Base Load (day and night) Solar Thermal Power Generator (STPG) that he estimates will cost around $15000. It heats salt using a solar reflector to 900 degrees Celsius & stores the heat energy to run a heat engine (stirling engine) driving a 5kw generator or a CO2 free desalination plant. His model is not in production but a demonstration model will be installed on Frazer Island.

A Thermogen system www.thermogen.com.au (going into production early 200 has similar capabilities. It is a $44000, 5kw system using solar heated water stored at 150 to 200 degrees centigrade with enough storage to run a base load generator. Either system would operate for 3 to 4 days with out sunshine. Glenn suggests the embodied energy required to build his thermal generator could be recouped within 18 months.

Most households require a 1kw system so for every new house built 4 other houses could be supplied with green power. Such systems can be grid connected so the excess 4kw of green power could be sold back to the grid & create an income stream for every new house. At 14c/kw (Qld.) the excess power would produce $5000 income per year. At 40c/kw for green power as in Canberra or S.A. the income would be closer to $19000.

1. The more STPGs installed throughout Australia the more effective they become at averaging out cloudy areas.

2. STPGs attached to desalination plants could produce CO2 free water.

3. Every house with a STPG could have an electric or compressed air car being charged overnight (see www.thermogen.com.au ).

4. Housing could be more affordable because excess green power is sold back to the grid to help pay the mortgage.

5. Redundant Industries & workers (Mitsubishi) could fabricate solar thermal generators or electric/compressed air cars. They could be exported. Value added exports could replace coal as demand drops.

6. The government could mandate STPGs on all new houses or proportionate numbers of STPGs on factories. Factories using green power to manufacture STPGs would be truly carbon neutral. New power stations would not be rquired. The Government subsidy could be increased to encourage retro fitting of STPGs on older houses.

If we can heat or cool our houses and drive our cars carbon neutrally we are part way to adapting to the increased heat of climate change. The more we export the technology, the more other countries will adapt & reduce carbon emissions. The market place will drive this rapid uptake of carbon neutral energy & transport production because it is income producing. That income should increase as carbon credits are adopted.

DETAILS;

http://www.publish.csiro.au/?act=vie...d=EC124p28.pdf



http://www.australia2020.gov.au/subm...d=2979&count=1


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Please see past the apparent screw up of the kw and kwh on this site
Thermogen - Home

As a general concept, make of it what you deem suitable.

[Windguy]

lmagic007, if I had enough time it would be great to go through every submission and paste the environment one on a single thread, need volunteers though.

Australia 2020 - Submissions

Here is the submissions start, I guess we could start by people sugesting their own numbers they could go through. i.e. 0-200, 5500-6000 etc.. 8700 entries in all to go through.......

[LMagic007]

Yea that would be a bit of work. I think I would stick with renewable energy related issues though.

Australian Government's 2020 site here;

Australia 2020 - www.australia2020.gov.au

Actually I'm not sure if I'm missing something, but I did not see much on renewable energy at all. i.e. I found 3 items relating to solar energy.
Windguy I see you actually made a submission, I presume it's yours. Submission 5433 : Windguy

I can't but help get the feeling that this summit idea is a bit of a warm fuzzy feel good thing, but with that said I still don't discount its usefulness. Allot of the strategic government decisions are already in play on a range of matters, but it may just be that one idea one day that makes a difference.

I think it's good for people to have a formally recognized national forum to share their varied views. It helps bring the spotlight on important public issues, even if nothing gets resolved. I helps re-enforce community concerns about issues relevant to their lives. This might help better focus government on the key issues and help them better formulate policy.

[spadlet]

More info here LMagic007 To be a Capitalist and an Environmentalist at the Same Time?

[LMagic007]

I don't quite know what that's about Spadlet, but I'm not really into political idealism. I think people can try to be as green as possible if they have that in their conscience and consumers influence capitalists, so I'm now already getting too philosophical. But that's another discussion I'm not going to get into.

I'm limiting my views as much as possible to more tangible topics, like meat and potatoes and the price of eggs.

[Windguy]

If in the end lmagic007, we are not satisfied with the outcome, all the poli's email addresses are there for which I'll be one to fire off. It is a gimmick, only because anyone with ideas pushed them onto the Liberal party for the last 10 years they were in government. The Labour party had no new idea's of their own because of their lack of support from us until workchoices was implemented.

Ole Kev knows a PR exercise when he wants one. Rhys Muldoon (Aussie only actor) and Hugh Jackman costarred in the highlights package..... while Queen Elizabeth (sorry Cate Blanchett was missing in action having another few babies - Hugh Jackman's crack)..

We'll see how it pans out......

[Windguy]

Skutches and Windguys have their say - National - theage.com.au

Yes 5433 was my original idea Spadlet pasted squeezed into less than 500 words and probably lost all it's meaning...

The original from page 1, (just keep on reading).... To be a Capitalist and an Environmentalist at the Same Time?

Should give a bit better idea.

Simply put, it is a method (not guarenteeing to work) that finds how to fund renewables quickly with minimal costs... Those poor banks if it gets in.. I might even shed a tear. NOT!

[LMagic007]

WG talking about 2020 ideas, do you think those domestic Solar Thermal ideas have any merit ? They seem rather impressive. Almost too good to belive if you look at some of the figures. Seems they use salt cells to store heat energy for later use.

2979The Solar Thermal Solution

http://www.publish.csiro.au/?act=vie...d=EC124p28.pdf

http://www.australia2020.gov.au/subm...d=2979&count=1

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[Windguy]

umm yes it has a lot of merit (Windguy goes to his cupboard, pulls out a couple of books and starts burning them)..

Figures unsure of, as I haven't thrown some figures on a calc yet to check. But I told you about solar powered vacuum operated desalination plants. Well you see one right there.

The venetian wind generator - again, a slow rotating VAWT about 80% of my idea, If mated to the Chinese Maglev, Similar idea, zero friction and built larger their venetian WG will be like mine (except mine has six arms).

Mirrors are far better than solar panels, so it would be interesting to see the efficiencies by heating salt to boil water will produce. I would say it could, not sure if it would last all night, but could be a brilliant base load elctricity generator.

I would have to see it in action, but for now to me it could work as well as they said.

The problem is at this very moment is there is no call for base loading renewables yet. We haven't even threatened the need to use base loading renewables with our lousy 5% renewables. So it is about on par with a standard 5Kw solar panels price and is a lot larger eyesore. Once we find the need (even though we always have that need) then ideas like that will become numero uno in the future.

[Windguy]

http://www.australia2020.gov.au/docs...ial_report.pdf

This is the initial report Lmagic007, just full of airated long words to create a feel good document. If they do all of this, then we will have a committee on everything, including the way you pick your nose.

Would you like to use your Super for infrastructure??? There has to be something far more substantial then that initial report, otherwise I would class it as a dismal failure. If that is what the 1000 top people can produce, then we are all doomed.

One month wait for a detailed report.