Green Peace Leader Rags on Solar Power

[Besoeker]

Originally Posted by LMagic007

It's evidently the way your view and opinion is.

Not my opinion. It's the way it is.
Energy conversion from one storage method to another always results in some loss. If we had any practical means of electrical energy storage there would be no need for conversion and the consequent losses.
Don't you see that?

[LMagic007]

Originally Posted by Besoeker

Not my opinion. It's the way it is.
Energy conversion from one storage method to another always results in some loss. If we had any practical means of electrical energy storage there would be no need for conversion and the consequent losses.
Don't you see that?

Of course your opinion. Of course I see your reasoning. That's the price of storage and conversion. Everything has a perceived cost and a perceived benefit in this world. I'm not aware of any man made mechanism that is 100% efficient when it moves or transforms energy. That however does not always make such means impractical. Sometimes it's worth the cost in lost energy to achieve a desired outcome.


Man has been pouring heat out of engines straight into the atmosphere for the last 100 years at least. Now one could say well that's not practical and others may agree, yet many obviously have not seen it impractical enough to warrant doing anything about it. It takes a value judgment to form a view about practicality on any matter, and such judgment is typically in context of other factors, often being values and priorities. Its generally accepted that there is an imperative for man to adopt new ways, sometimes even at great cost, whilst bearing in mind eventual costs and benefits over the course of time. Adapting to change often does come at a cost. That's the way it is.

[Besoeker]

Originally Posted by LMagic007

Of course your opinion.

Not my opinion. Just how it is.
There is no practical means of storing electrical energy.
If you don't accept that, feel free to post anything factual to refute it.

[LMagic007]

Originally Posted by Besoeker

Not my opinion. Just how it is.
There is no practical means of storing electrical energy.
If you don't accept that, feel free to post anything factual to refute it.

Yes in your opinion, however there is practical means of storing electrical energy. That's just how it is. If you don't accept that, feel free to post anything factual to refute it.

[Besoeker]

Originally Posted by LMagic007

Yes in your opinion, however there is practical means of storing electrical energy.

OK.
Go for it.

[LMagic007]

Originally Posted by Besoeker

OK.
Go for it.

OK.
Go for it

[Besoeker]

Originally Posted by LMagic007

OK.
Go for it

Sunshine, you are making the claim that there is practical means of storing electrical energy.
There isn't.
You can either agree with me or shoot me out of the water.
But you will do neither.

[LMagic007]

Originally Posted by Besoeker

Sunshine, you are making the claim that there is practical means of storing electrical energy.
There isn't. You can either agree with me or shoot me out of the water.
But you will do neither.

Sunshine, you are making the claim that there is not practical means of storing electrical energy. You can either agree with me or shoot me out of the water and you havn't yet.

[screener]

I would consider a hydro-electric reservoir as a means of storing electricity. There may be questions of practicality, especially in regards to new construction, but that is the very idea of the storage behind the dam. This could be stretched to include tidal dams. Any thoughts?

[LMagic007]

Originally Posted by screener

I would consider a hydro-electric reservoir as a means of storing electricity. There may be questions of practicality, especially in regards to new construction, but that is the very idea of the storage behind the dam. This could be stretched to include tidal dams. Any thoughts?

Yes I agree with you. For the moment at least, putting aside the existence of any less constructive ornery myopic semantics, I agree there are means available to store energy either for later electrical conversion, or even electrical conversion ( batteries, other methods etc .. ) or capacitor technologies some under development, some already existing. There are various kinds of energy storage available for a range of applications domestic, commercial and industrial. Obviously some less efficient and more costly than others for now.

Clearly converting electrical energy to other forms means losses, but we waste so much today anyway and clean losses are better than dirty polluting losses. As mentioned for at least the last 100 years fossil fuel engines have wasted heat energy and pumped CO2 into the atmosphere. Think about the heat loss from the average car engine, let alone the pollution. There are better ways and we need to adopt them. I think tidal energy and possibly even pumped tidal storage might have potential in the right circumstances. It's going to take many approaches in the renewable sphere, as many as we can reasonably apply.

Be it for electric vehicles or domestic or industrial purposes, storage is going to be important, if we are going to widely adopt renewable energy. Once we correctly cost in carbon emissions hopefully over the next few years, I think we may see a further increase in the range of energy storage options that could become economically more attractive. The global CO2 emissions imperative must not be forgotten, because it's a key driving factor in helping determine what's practical. The imperative to change and adapt to change, which underpins our ability to successfully evolve.