Green Peace Leader Rags on Solar Power

[LMagic007]

Originally Posted by Wobs

But earlier wrote:

You have given zero indication that growth will slow. Therefore you have indicated that the growth will either remain the same, or increase. To start by stating current growth rates, and giving no indication that it will slow, one cannot make any conclusion from other than the market will continue to grow at those rates or greater.

Its issues like this that are the course of my complaints of your over positive remarks.

False and misleading. I indicated that growth is expected to continue, not the growth rate. That is a clear distinction. I did not indicated growth would slow nor speed up. Current growth rates could slow or pickup or even fluctuate. However, even if the growth rate slowed, growth can still continue, but at a slower rate, yet it could still be strong.

Merely giving no indication ( as you claim ) that the current growth rate will slow, does not automatically imply that I indicated the growth rate would increase. Growth could increase or decrease and the growth rate could increase or decrease. I indicated that the current growth rate was strong and that growth is expected to continue, and be strong growth.

Thus even if the growth rate declines, growth can still continue and growth can still be strong. Your deduction is thus inaccurate. I indicated that growth would be strong, which echos the view of industry and markets.

[LMagic007]

In the mean time some lovely news to brighten your day. Oil prices continue to rise. Today $128 a barrel. and ;

Goldman Sachs sees $141 oil as early as July
Says fundamentals argue in favor of WTI prices continuing to move higher

The move by the high-profile brokerage comes less than two weeks after Goldman's petroleum company analyst said oil prices are increasingly likely to hit between $150 and $200 a barrel over the next six to 24 months.

Goldman sees oil at $141 as early as July - MarketWatch

[Besoeker]

Got to go nuclear.

[LMagic007]

Originally Posted by Besoeker

Got to go nuclear.

The world cannot completely go nuclear. That's not a pragmatic reality for the entire world and thus not a global solution. There is no single solution. There will be many energy solutions of varying kinds. Solar PV and Solar Thermal of varying kinds, are expected to play a significant roles in the mix of energy solutions constantly evolving.

[Besoeker]

Originally Posted by LMagic007

The world cannot completely go nuclear. That's not a pragmatic reality for the entire world and thus not a global solution. There is no single solution. There will be many energy solutions of varying kinds. Solar PV and Solar Thermal of varying kinds, are expected to play a significant roles in the mix of energy solutions constantly evolving.

Essentially, there are four sources of power generation on a global scale.
Fossils, nuclear, hydro, and others
"Others" aren't remotely capable of making a contribution that would seriously challenge the main players.
I accept that the situation may change, but I don't see it happening any time soon. In the meantime, we need to look at how we can meet our power and energy requirements.

[LMagic007]

Originally Posted by Besoeker

Essentially, there are four sources of power generation on a global scale.
Fossils, nuclear, hydro, and others
"Others" aren't remotely capable of making a contribution that would seriously challenge the main players.
I accept that the situation may change, but I don't see it happening any time soon. In the meantime, we need to look at how we can meet our power and energy requirements.

For one nuclear is fossils. Others include renewable energy which are very capable of making a challenging contribution to the energy mix and are already beginning to challenge the main players on cost and are expected to continue to challenge the main players well into the future. As carbon penalties are phased in over the next few years, this challenge will become even more significant. There is no looking back. Fossils will increase in cost as they already are, renewables will fall in cost as they already are.

Time scale projections of renewable energy take-up are given by government and industry. The challenge is now. Renewable energy is shaping the energy market of the future. It has been forecast that by 2020, the major forms of renewable energy are expected be cheaper than fossil fuel energy. By then I expect it will be game over with even more rapid growth than ever before of renewable energy.

[Besoeker]

Originally Posted by LMagic007

For one nuclear is fossils.

Uranium isn't a fossil, but whether it is or isn't, doesn't invalidate my point.
To paraphrase the betting odds for the famous Eclipse, the rest nowhere.

[LMagic007]

Originally Posted by Besoeker

Uranium isn't a fossil, but whether it is or isn't, doesn't invalidate my point.
To paraphrase the betting odds for the famous Eclipse, the rest nowhere.

It doesn't validate your point either. That fact that one can buy renewable energy already in some instances cheaper than fossil fuel does validate my point. Price forecasts for renewable energy further validates my point. Price forecasts for fossil fuels further invalidates your point. As you say the rest is nowhere.

[Wobs]

Originally Posted by LMagic007

False and misleading. I indicated that growth is expected to continue, not the growth rate. That is a clear distinction. I did not indicated growth would slow nor speed up. Current growth rates could slow or pickup or even fluctuate. However, even if the growth rate slowed, growth can still continue, but at a slower rate, yet it could still be strong.

Merely giving no indication ( as you claim ) that the current growth rate will slow, does not automatically imply that I indicated the growth rate would increase. Growth could increase or decrease and the growth rate could increase or decrease. I indicated that the current growth rate was strong and that growth is expected to continue, and be strong growth.

Thus even if the growth rate declines, growth can still continue and growth can still be strong. Your deduction is thus inaccurate. I indicated that growth would be strong, which echos the view of industry and markets.

You have given only positive indications of solar thermal market growth.
You have given no indication that growth will slow, infact it is more likely the there will be a drop off in production after a peak, after the most suitables sites and applications are realised. Your implication could not be clearer.

My deduction is accurate.

[Wobs]

Originally Posted by LMagic007

Time scale projections of renewable energy take-up are given by government and industry. The challenge is now. Renewable energy is shaping the energy market of the future. It has been forecast that by 2020, the major forms of renewable energy are expected be cheaper than fossil fuel energy. By then I expect it will be game over with even more rapid growth than ever before of renewable energy.

Other than the fact that its not technically practical to have the majority of the worlds energy produced by renewables, that's great.

Please remember that there's more to environmental impacts than carbon footprints