Good news about the UK birth rate

News item this morning claims that the birth rate is beginning to rise in this country, as women who did not have their 'sproglets' in their twenties, are opting to have them in their thirties instead. In twenty years we will hit the 66 million mark - we have JUST hit 60 million.

So no more gloom and doom. The 'ageing' population scenario will soon be a myth.

I'd suppose that all those teenaged pregancies are probably helping things as well.

[natterjack]

I can't really see that this is good news.

Jaunty Albatross hasn't been around for a while (I wouldn't want to tread on his toes) but I agree with him that there are way too many people on the planet, and we really don't need any more. Most of the increase in the UK is from immigration still, and I have no problem with that situation. What good does a higher birth rate in this counrty do? It may possibly do something in the short term for "the pensions crisis", but only at the cost of yet more housing development, and so more cars, roads, air travel, pollution etc etc.

Yes, immigration is also adding to this, but then immigrants are leaving somewhere else. Several other threads have covered the pros and cons of immigration and so on, so I don't particularly want to thrash this about here again, but no, increased birth rates are not good news IMHO.

[astrogenic]

If we let nothing but the TOTAL size of population WORLDWIDE as a variable for which the 'goodness' of population growth in the UK is to be judged (like natterjack is implying, I think?), then the increasing population growth in the UK is a 'good' news.

This is because majority of immigrants pushing higher birth rate, CURRENTLY, in the UK origniates from poor countries, where their birthrate is even 'higher' - a necessity derived from a struggle against potential elimination of entire family for many who live in such poor contries.

In FUTURE, the sons and daughrters of those immigrants will birth fewer children if they stay in the UK (because they have better social services to look after them and they would be comparatively richer than their counterparts in their country of origin), as opposed to the case where the immigrants didn't migrated in the first place - then their sons and daughrters would continue to make babies at an alarming rate, as is the case today.

So overall, I think it's a good idea that we accept immigrants to help alluviate their poverty, and at the same time gain much needed population growth in the UK to support her economy that is at the backborn of British way of life.

[odin]

what the government thinks is that 66 million marker will mostly come from immigrants
They said 90% will be from immigrants.
good news ,hard to say!.
There is nothing to be proud of your serious problem regarding teenage pregancies,its a joke

is it right when a 12 year old girl is pregnant

[infoterror]

Originally Posted by natterjack

Jaunty Albatross hasn't been around for a while (I wouldn't want to tread on his toes) but I agree with him that there are way too many people on the planet, and we really don't need any more.

Me too.

But, most of the people breeding aren't in Europe. Europe is dying out, and being replaced by people from failed countries. The result is a dumber, less considerate humanity (although the English aren't necessarily a prize either - I'd rather breed more Scandinavians or Japanese).

[natterjack]

Europe is dying out, and being replaced by people from failed countries. The result is a dumber, less considerate humanity

What part of European history makes you think that anyone from Europe is smarter and more considerate than anyone else? The part where they colonised, enslaved or otherwise screwed up half of the rest of the world, creating the conditions for them to "fail", whilst destroying their own homelands natural resources and wiping out swathes of other species, perhaps?

[odin]

(Me too.

But, most of the people breeding aren't in Europe. Europe is dying out, and being replaced by people from failed countries. The result is a dumber, less considerate humanity (although the English aren't necessarily a prize either - I'd rather breed more Scandinavians or Japanese).


thank u for praiseing scandinavians like that!!!!

[odin]

hi

i think no one is better then the other regardless creed or collor.
Scandinavians have a tradition where we value environment much better but also that we can use it for the good both ways.
Norway have 17 national parks ,our environment is not in such danger as yours but we protect it none otherless.

the problem with uk is that you value the environment thrue a beaurocratic and capitalistic way,money ,money,money!.

population of scandinavia is 17 million the only reason i see in population growth is increes in economically more money more power and status.
its like british empire in economical perspective!

i hope u understand this


we have different attitude towards money but not better.

[jaunty albatross]

natterjack,

Don't worry about my toes. I love it when somebody agrees with me.

The question is: Will the human race reduce its population in time to save
our biosphere from toxic ecocide? I tend to be pessimistic, but there is
evidence people are changing their all-consuming lifestyle habits, but
slowly, much too slowly, while others demand a continuously growing
economy to increase the value of their investment portfololios. Which side
will win I can't say, but one thing I know for sure, the global ecology is
sick with mega-tons of pollution and getting sicker with each passing year.
So, a major environmental collapse is a real possibility, including a
pandemic disease like bird flu. If we humans can't learn to live in balance,
Nature will do it for us in rather terrible ways. I absolutely hate to see it,
but from my personal perspective it looks almost inevitable.

The flood of immigrants from exploding populations of poor people seems
to be sealing the fate of of the "developed World", apparently no way to
stop it, except as Nature responds in the dramatic ways so well known.