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2nd-September-2008, 06:44 AM
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I don't believe the rantings of the Heritage Foundation. The official poverty rate for a family of 4 in the United States is $ 21, 500 or less. There is no way a family of four can own their house, two cars and live healthly on $ 21, 500 !!. There are about 40 million people living in poverty in the United States. There are about 47 million people without heath care - one illness away from being homeless or in poverty.
In a given year there about 3.5 million people including 1.3 million children will experiance homelessness in the United States. There are about 775,000 chronically homeless people in the United States.
The statistics above are scandalous and have grown worse under the mismanagement of George Bush.
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2nd-September-2008, 11:57 AM
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 Okay, so this thread is going in all possible directions.
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What alot of people fail to recognize is that our planet is run by elite gangsters. They form secret societies, find ways to pursuit our thinking, and make more money off of us. While doing so they pursuit domination of the planet and a one world paperless monetary system. In a short.....world slavery. Once we are micro-chipped it is all over for humanity as we will have once knew it.
They control all of the media and use it as a propaganda tool to make us all think that their are global situations in which we have to change our lifestyle to save the planet. Dont rule out terrorism one bit. It was used in
America to crumble the Constitution, take freedom away from us, get us into the middle east as to make money & replace former government leaders as to install new leaders in which will comply with the elite gangsters. Countries in which do not work with the gangsters are a nuisance in their eye.
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I recently watched an American documentary on Norwegian television. It was all about the 9/11, 2001 attack on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, and it was made to provide concrete proof that WTC was a controlled demolition job, and that Pentagon was not hit by a plane, but more likely by a rocket.
Controlled demolition hypothesis for the collapse of the World Trade Center - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
AttackOnAmerica.net - Proof Of Controlled Demolition At The WTC
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As your eyes will tell you, the World Trade Center collapses looked like controlled demolitions. Here's the proof.
The proof. According to the law of gravity, it is possible to calculate the time it takes for an object to fall a given distance. The equation is H=(1/2)at2, where H is the height, a is the acceleration of gravity (10 meters per second squared) and t is time in seconds. Plug in the height of the building at 1350 feet (411 meters) and we get 9 seconds. That is just about the length of time it took for the very top of the World Trade Center to fall to the street below. According to all reports, the whole thing was over in just about ten seconds.
It is as if the entire building were falling straight down through thin air. As if the entire solid structure below, the strong part which had not been burned or sliced or harmed in any significant way, just disappeared into nothingness. Yet this (within a small tolerance) is what we would expect to find if there had been a controlled demolition, because the explosions below really do leave the upper stories completely unsupported. Like the Road Runner after he runs off the edge of the cliff, the entire building pauses a moment, then goes straight down.
Any kind of viscous process or friction process should have slowed the whole thing down. Like dropping a lead ball into a vat of molasses, or dropping a feather into the air, gravitational acceleration cannot achieve its full effect if it is fighting any opposing force. In the case of the World Trade Center, the intact building below should have at least braked the fall of the upper stories. This did not happen. There was no measurable friction at all.
This proves controlled demolition.
We have been lied to. We have been lied to about this, at multiple levels. The first lie was that the load of fuel from the aircraft was the cause of structural failure. No kerosene fire can burn hot enough to melt steel. In point of fact, most of the fuel in the jets was contained in their wing tanks. The thin aluminum of the tanks was pierced or stripped as the airplanes penetrated the walls of the towers, and the result was the huge fireball which was seen on national TV, where most of this fuel was burned.
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911 Commission co-chairs claim that they were misled, perhaps deliberately, by the Bush administration and Pentagon brass. Because 911 was an act of mass murder overtly covered up by the Bush administration, the many lies told amount to more than mere obstructions of justice or cover ups. They amount to high treason, a betrayal of the public trust, a mechanism by which this administration seized power unconstitutionally. Upon the 911 pretext, Bush deliberately subverted the legitimate institutions of our government! The lies told by Bush and brass amount to sedition and high treason.
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2nd-September-2008, 12:23 PM
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You know, I have longed believed that the World Trade Center Collapse was a result of a controlled demolition, but I can't believe that the administration would be so callous, so evil to kill nearly 3,000 people to justify a war. Is that your conclusion ?
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2nd-September-2008, 12:40 PM
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I don't know how to conclude.  - But okay, whatever does the lives of some 3000 people mean to the Pharaos of our time and age? How about the lives of the more than 150.000 Iraqis that have died since the UN-led sanctions against the country was initiated in the aftermath of Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait? And how about the fact that the hawks of the Bush administration always thought what the country really needed in order to start a war in the Middle East was another Pearl Harbour?
As I said: I don't know how to conclude. It certainly isn't easy for me to conclude that American hawks of war, in the quest for reasons to invade Iraq, made the decision to sacrifice some thousand American citizens. It would be amazing. But if this was the thing that actually happened, I am in no way certain that people like Dick Cheney, George W. Bush, Al Gore, and Bill Clinton were informed, if you know what I'm saying? If not: well, I'm thinking of the secrecy that is taking place in the corridors of power, and just do not happen in the offices.
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2nd-September-2008, 12:52 PM
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That was more or less a rhetorical question as I already know the answer: that if the World Trade Center was destroyed on purpose by some evil doers it almost had to be with the approval of the administration otherwise who else would have had the motivation to do it ?
But there is the nagging question: how would they have planned or known of the attacks of two airliners in order to set up the building and execute their demolition plan.
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2nd-September-2008, 01:17 PM
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You should not be asking "who" might have the motivation to do it. You should be thinking more of "what powers" might have the motivation. In a sense, you might say it is not people of flesh and blood that are doing these things. It is corporate bodies that do not need the breath of air in order to survive. These corporate bodies do not have a soul. They do not have a heart. The have computers that can provide them with models of the world that exists around them, and that world is solely mathematical and based on the wisdom of economic input and output, gains and losses.
As for your other question. I'm not certain of what it is you are implying here? What might be "nagging" about the idea that some people with an influence over matters that concerns the American military would find it all that hard to summon a few passenger airplanes to assist them in making the controlled demolition job look like a terrorist attack? I can't see how this would be at all difficult to people like that?  - Anyway, as a way of responding to your "nagging question", I will paste in another section from one of the links presented above.
AttackOnAmerica.net - Proof Of Controlled Demolition At The WTC
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How it was done. The World Trade Center was leased by Westfield America and Larry Silverstein, on April 26th, 2001. Zim Israeli Shipping moved out of the buildings around that time. With a certain amount of shuffling of tenants from floor to floor, it should have been easy (with all the commotion and noise of remodeling) to plant explosives on several floors; enough for at least a sloppy kind of controlled demolition.
There was more "magic" at work on 9/11, to produce the effects that were seen on the TeeVee.
The events of 9/11, summarized. Taken all together, the evidence suggests very strongly that the attacks of 9/11 were fake terror, and quite possibly were a collaborative venture of the Israeli and US governments.
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While the whole attack was going on (a period well over an hour) George W. Bush sat in a classroom and listened to a story about goats, and the US military did not respond to the first three attacks. A fourth flight was also "hijacked" that day, but it was apparently struck down by some sort of missile or bomb before crashing in Pennsylvania.
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Within hours, a massive media campaign to blame the attacks on Arabs and specifically on Osama Bin Laden was begun, and this campaign has continued to the present day. Our traditional American form of government, unfortunately, may not survive -- the Patriot Act appears poised to supersede the Bill of Rights.
Given the many uncertainties about these events, it certainly seems that there should be more questions, more investigations, and more thoughtfulness about the responsibilities of the various parties involved. A little bit of logic will reveal that the Arabs alone could not have been solely responsible for the entire chain of events. It is equally unlikely that the Israelis could have pulled it off alone. Yet instead the US government is gathering up support for war against Middle Eastern nations, a tragic response to the enigmatic events of that day.
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2nd-September-2008, 01:37 PM
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Interesting.... so in your opinion, given the inadequate skills of the alleged hijackers, who could have been recruited to fly the airliners on a suicide mission. Flight 93 clearly was hijacked by Arab militants, and I believe the two ariliners that crashed into the trade center towers were also Arab Militants.
As far as the Pentagon being hit by a rocket instead of a plane, that is a mystery also. There are too many unanswered questions. One I have is what happened to the airplane that supposedly crashed. United Airlines wouldn't voluntarily take a $59million aircraft out of their inventory. Anyway where would they hid it ? It is really a mystery.
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2nd-September-2008, 01:53 PM
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I am amazed by how many people I talk to and how many posts I see on the forums these days that agree with the "need" to reduce the population.
It seems like everyone is going crazy! I see calls for a "one child policy", calls for making large families an "eco-crime" and calls for eliminating 90 percent of the earth's population all over the internet.
It seems as though more and more people are buying into the propaganda of the New World Order. Look at what the following article is saying about this situation:
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Shattered Paradigm: Radical Depopulation Of The Earth - The Solution To Mankind's Problems?
Radical Depopulation Of The Earth - The Solution To Mankind's Problems?
Today the call for depopulating the earth has grown louder than ever. College professors are given standing ovations by their students when they call for a 90 percent reduction in the human population of the earth. Ted Turner states "A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal", and the global elite applaud him. The Georgia Guidestones which call for us to "maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature" are quoted more and more with approval by our leaders.
What is this world coming to?
It seems as though for the global elite, every major crisis these days is an opportunity to further one of the key pillars of their agenda:
Less people.
Problem: Gas costs too much and we are faced with "global warming".
Answer: Get rid of a whole bunch of people and we will use less gas and we will produce less "greenhouse gases".
Problem: Medical costs are increasing.
Answer: Get rid of a whole bunch of people and kill off the elderly and we will have fewer medical costs.
Now Prince Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh, has the perfect solution for the "food crisis":
Get rid of a whole bunch of people......
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Shattered Paradigm: Radical Depopulation Of The Earth - The Solution To Mankind's Problems?
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well...it was always an issue, I mean 'overpopulation' - in fact there is a lot of room on the earth, but people are 'distributed' rather not 'smoothly' and symmetrically...and most of the people are doing nothing more than breeding and consuming - don't contribute to the 'global well-being' . Wars are one of the solution (quite often used) to reduce number of people, but everyone knows and agrees, that is not an 'elegant way' to solve this problem. General worldwide agreement is impossible - every nation deals with its own problems - in many cases , the very existence of nation depends on their ability 'to breed' , because they don't have nothing, but children...
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2nd-September-2008, 03:31 PM
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As far as the Pentagon being hit by a rocket instead of a plane, that is a mystery also.
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Yes it is indeed a mystery. But just as the makers of the TV documentary pointed out (and as pointed out in the video linked above), the big gaping hole which was to be seen on the Pentagon after the attack could not possibly have come as a result of a plane crashing into the building. The damages done to the building would have had quite a different appearance than that. And then there is also the question of the plane wreckage that ought to be found on the site, but for some odd reason seems to be missing.
Now, there are a lot of YouTube videos exploring the subject. Finding them is very easy. A search for "9/11 Pentagon" will do the trick.
All summed up, I think it is very fair to say we have been lied to. We have been lied to about this, at multiple levels.
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4th-October-2008, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by wmiddlemas
You know, I have longed believed that the World Trade Center Collapse was a result of a controlled demolition, but I can't believe that the administration would be so callous, so evil to kill nearly 3,000 people to justify a war. Is that your conclusion ?
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The True Masters of this country (U.S.A.) do not care about it citizens one bit. When I say Masters I men those who are above the President. When they want to make changes in government or changes in money they'll go to extreme lengths to do so.
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