Looks like the UK is serious about nuclear

[Deathridesahorse]

Originally Posted by Besoeker

If construction started now, how long would it be before UK could see meaningful benefits?

I believe and there was talk that the grid could be made in under 5 years.

I don't think that means meaningful benefit would be achieved in 5 years, however.

[Deathridesahorse]

Originally Posted by Besoeker

If construction started now, how long would it be before UK could see meaningful benefits?

Australian Politics Forum - EUMENA Supergrid in 5 years?!?

"It would probably be best if such a project were funded by several national Governments, which is feasible. We could not integrate the road networks throughout Europe without each country paying its own share, and the same thing could easily be envisaged for a HVDC supergrid. There is no reason why such a grid could not be up and running within 10 to 15 years if it got the right type of governmental backing. It could be done much sooner than that if we simply integrated the existing AC grid and upgraded it to the necessary standard. I am told that that could be achieved in five years."

[Wobs]

First line demonstrates your ignorance.

Originally Posted by Deathridesahorse

The chickens are all coming home to roost....

The world is at a series of crossroads and the balls are going to start dropping soon...

I predict anarchy if EUMENA is not built.

Would you care to explain this vulnerablility to price hikes?

(I believe we are already being ripped off and only getting angrier at the fact that as taxpayers supporting coal we are then asked as consumers to spend extra on "green" energy!!!)

The idea that EUMENA would negate the need for us to install nuclear is idealistic in the extreme. Not only that but would result in us selling energy at a loss (or paying people to take our energy) as we would be producing it most when it isn't needed. Then when it is needed, we would be importing it from France (nuclear), who would be selling their energy at a premium as it would be in high demand.

Still dark nights don't just happen when we don't want them, they happen when nature decides, and we will likely be wanting huge quantities of energy at that moment.

Not only that, but your 5 year projection is a nonsense, as the African end of things wold take much longer, and ignores the politics of the region. Idealism doesn't build things, it courses problems.

The UK has been used to been the provider of energy (gas) for many years. Now we're the end of the pipe, we need to be looking at energy that is reliable, and clean (nuclear). I know you won't agree with that, but do you think I'm really going to care what you think, when you have such extreme views on it?

The proportion of wind for our grid would render it unstable if we were to install too many even with EUMENA. You only have to look at the lessons learnt at Denmark to see that, and they import/export huge quantities of energy to keep things ticking over.

[Besoeker]

Originally Posted by Wobs

The proportion of wind for our grid would render it unstable if we were to install too many even with EUMENA. You only have to look at the lessons learnt at Denmark to see that, and they import/export huge quantities of energy to keep things ticking over.

Yes.
Scale and variability seem to be poorly understood by many.

[Besoeker]

Originally Posted by Deathridesahorse

Australian Politics Forum - EUMENA Supergrid in 5 years?!?

"It would probably be best if such a project were funded by several national Governments, which is feasible. We could not integrate the road networks throughout Europe without each country paying its own share, and the same thing could easily be envisaged for a HVDC supergrid.

But in itself it, is not an answer.
At the receiving end of the HVDC transmission, there needs to be already a bulk power (electrically stiff) grid to make the naturally-commutated SCR inverter to operate correctly. It is not a stand-alone system.

[Deathridesahorse]

Originally Posted by Besoeker

But in itself it, is not an answer.
At the receiving end of the HVDC transmission, there needs to be already a bulk power (electrically stiff) grid to make the naturally-commutated SCR inverter to operate correctly. It is not a stand-alone system.

Perhaps that's why I said meaningful benefit wouldn't be achieved in 5 years?!?

[Wobs]

Originally Posted by Deathridesahorse

Perhaps that's why I said meaningful benefit wouldn't be achieved in 5 years?!?

So you can't deny that it won't work without a nuclear power backup. Unless of course you would prefer gas or coal?

Even if they did complete it in a decade or two, it would still need considerable backup from more conventional sources.

[Besoeker]

Originally Posted by Deathridesahorse

Perhaps that's why I said meaningful benefit wouldn't be achieved in 5 years?!?

Perhaps.....
So what do you think needs to change for it to achieve meaningful benefit in greater than five years?

[Deathridesahorse]

Originally Posted by Wobs

So you can't deny that it won't work without a nuclear power backup. Unless of course you would prefer gas or coal?

Even if they did complete it in a decade or two, it would still need considerable backup from more conventional sources.

You won't get rid of gas or coal for a long time.

Those who are addicted to Nuclear Energy may decide to keep handing their citizens hard earned tax dollars over to the industry instead of working out how to store the thermal energy siphoned from the sun.

Of more importance is the reason as to why would it need considerable back up in the short term? Perhaps, because we can't stop producing endless shite 24 hours a day?

This planet has got to get a grip...it is about energy efficiency, mostly. The costs of energy production are not taken into account at present and we are only just waking up from the dreaming.

The costs of "rape and pillage of the global village" are thus: stress!

[Besoeker]

Originally Posted by Deathridesahorse

Of more importance is the reason as to why would it need considerable back up in the short term?

Because you need an electrically stiff grid to make the naturally-commutated SCR inverter operate correctly. It is not a stand-alone system.