New Device Turns Waste Heat into Electricity

[Besoeker]

Originally Posted by LMagic007

Obviously. Spare the history lecture. It's not just about four letter words.

Indeed not and I made no such claim. As I said context and company are factors.

Originally Posted by LMagic007

Exactly and there is one individual in particular, who indulges in it almost as routine.

Clearly, you don't like Forfi. Your personal vendetta has no place here.

Originally Posted by LMagic007

Conventional vehicle engine design wastes a ridiculous amount of heat and to capture that heat presents a tremendous opportunity..

Originally Posted by LMagic007

OK.
How?
Say the vehicle is 100 miles from anywhere, what would you do with the waste heat?

[LMagic007]

Originally Posted by Besoeker

As I said context and company are factors.

Oh you actually believe in context. What a revelation, I'm pleased to hear that.

Originally Posted by Besoeker

Clearly, you don't like Forfi. Your personal vendetta has no place here.

Who is Forfi ? Not aware anyone of that nickname exists. And wrong, no vendetta. Just a calling to account of actions not personality. The facts speak for themselves everywhere one looks. Again though it's no longer on topic.

Originally Posted by Besoeker

OK. How? Say the vehicle is 100 miles from anywhere, what would you do with the waste heat?

Essentially without having to go into this hypothetical, motor vehicle technology can be improved to make better use of waste engine heat. That is my point and many beyond the confines of this forum would agree. What we do today will impact what we do tomorrow. The technology we design today will impact the technology we use tomorrow. Invariably better ways of doing things emerge over time as new means and ways are developed. Technologies developed are often not taken advantage of until several years later. One only has to do a bit of digging around to see there is scope for improvements in current CI vehicle technology, in the area of waste heat recovery and utilization.

[Besoeker]

Originally Posted by LMagic007

Who is Forfi ? Not aware anyone of that nickname exists. And wrong, no vendetta. Just a calling to account of actions not personality.

Likening someone to someone you think of as a village idiot isn't personal?

Originally Posted by LMagic007

Essentially without having to go into this hypothetical, motor vehicle technology can be improved to make better use of waste engine heat.

My question was how.
At 100 miles from anywhere what would you do with the waste heat? What would/could you use it for in that situation?
If you don't know, that's fine. Just say so.

[LMagic007]

Originally Posted by Besoeker

Likening someone to someone you think of as a village idiot isn't personal?

No we don't have anyone in this forum of that nature, even though at times one might be excused for thinking so. As I said, bit of own medicine can be difficult to swallow and those that dish it out in bucket loads can't complain to mum, when they get it back in tea cups, when sometimes that's the only way they understand. But again this is not the appropriate forum thread to extend this discussion.

Originally Posted by Besoeker

My question was how. At 100 miles from anywhere what would you do with the waste heat? What would/could you use it for in that situation?
If you don't know, that's fine. Just say so.

The question is irrelevant to my point. What I would suggest, is that better engine technology with better waste heat utilization, would allow better mileage. Throwing in a number on it's own as in your example question means nothing. One could just as well say 10 miles from nowhere. It's silly and another example of setup a number to fail an argument, however what can be said is that a more efficient engine design by better waste heat utilization could get better mileage.

It's clear there are ways and means not fully exploited by mans current knowledge. It's not just a matter of unknown discoveries that could achieve better waste heat utilization. Aspects of designs of cars to be released few years from now have already been developed. That's they way the industry works. It takes several years from design to release, so you can expect in 3 years time, current designs will emerge in reality. It's not that difficult to see there remain areas of untapped opportunity to improve overall engine performance in the area of waste heat recovery and utilization.

[Besoeker]

Originally Posted by LMagic007

The question is irrelevant to my point. What I would suggest, is that better engine technology with better waste heat utilization, would allow better mileage. Throwing in a number on it's own as in your example question means nothing. One could just as well say 10 miles from nowhere.

Fine. Disregard the mileage from anywhere or nowhere. It was simply a point to illustrate that motor vehicles operate autonomously. Anywhere.
How would you make use of the waste heat from a motor vehicle?

[LMagic007]

Originally Posted by Besoeker

Fine. Disregard the mileage from anywhere or nowhere. It was simply a point to illustrate that motor vehicles operate autonomously. Anywhere. How would you make use of the waste heat from a motor vehicle?

It's not my job to. That's the job of those that are developing the technologies. How would you fly to Mars ? No I better not ask. The point is that it's is a worth while pursuit to explore new technology that can captures waste heat and converts it to useful energy, as the original post suggests. Nothing more obscure than that.

[Besoeker]

Originally Posted by LMagic007

It's not my job to.

OK.
You don't know how it could be done. No problem.
Doesn't that also imply that you don't know if it can be implemented it any practical way?

[LMagic007]

Originally Posted by Besoeker

OK. You don't know how it could be done. No problem. Doesn't that also imply that you don't know if it can be implemented it any practical way?

No I didn't say that at all, you said that and you're entitled to your beliefs. Another misleading statement and they just keep coming. Just because I don't claim a positive assertion, does not automatically mean I claim a negative assertion. No let up at all. By the sound of your statement, it implies whatever you want it to imply, however someone else may see it differently to you and someone else differently again. From my point of view however, no it doesn't imply that at all.

Essentially though it does not take a rocket scientist to see that improvements might be made with waste heat utilization and invariably improvements are made to existing technologies. Knowledge is built upon knowledge and some might say that if man can't do it better next time around, he may as well give up. I can see ways that improvements might be made, but it's not my area so I will leave that to those that work with the respective technologies, to deal with as they see fit and make their announcements when they deem it appropriate. Suffice to say I'm convinced improvements can be made and it would take a strong argument to convince me otherwise. You don't have to look far to find information that discusses the issue of how much waste heat the internal combustion engine produces and what ideas are being looked at to make use of that waste heat. The heat to sound to electricity article presented in this thread, is just one example among others of capturing that waste heat.

[Besoeker]

Originally Posted by LMagic007

No I didn't say that at all,

Fine. You asserted motor vehicle technology can be improved to make better use of waste engine heat. Note "can be".
So, forget the meaningless waffle and just explain the basis for your assertion.

[LMagic007]

Originally Posted by Besoeker

Fine. You asserted motor vehicle technology can be improved to make better use of waste engine heat. Note "can be". So, forget the meaningless waffle and just explain the basis for your assertion.

No I won't bother elaborating further as I have explained sufficiently. Go do your own investigations if you want to find out more. I have conveyed a viewpoint like most others, like it or lump it. It's common sense that most things can be improved and its blindingly clear that there is opportunity for waste heat recovery and conversion to useful energy. See it as you will, I wont be wasting time elaborating something that's obvious.