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Old 2nd-August-2007, 07:55 AM
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I think you're right Hoon.

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Submarines accompanying a Russian naval mission aimed at boosting Moscow's claim to Arctic territory are shortly expected to dive below the North Pole.
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Would be a laugh if they found another nations flags already down there. Then again, perhaps not.
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I can't believe the international community are letting them do it. I mean it must belong to somebody. Surely what Russia are doing is tantamount to an invasion?
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This expedition is little more than a public relations stunt designed by the Kremlin to attract public support for Russia’s long held claim to a 463,000 mile chunk of the Arctic - about half the size of Western Europe.

The Kremlin has long believed the territory belonged to Russia - it was marked as such on Soviet maps from the 1920s.

But in 1997, Russia ratified the United Nations Convention on the Laws of the Sea, which limits the five nations on the Arctic Ocean Russia, Norway, Canada, the United States (through Alaska) and Denmark (through Greenland) to 200 miles of territorial waters.

But under the treaty, the five nations are allowed to file claims to a UN commission for greater territory if they can prove that their continental shelves are geographically linked to the Arctic seabed.

In 2001, Russia became the first country to file a claim, arguing that the underwater Lomonosov ridge was not merely a chain of mountains in international waters but was actually an extension of Siberia’s continental shelf.

The commission, however, was not convinced and asked for seismology reports and sonar measurements to support Russia’s submission.

After a six week expedition that ended in June, Russia’s Institute of Ocean Geology maintained it had a vital breakthrough - a claim that prompted Mr Chilingarov to set off on his patriotic mission.

Denmark is to submit its own claim and Canada has announced it will build eight armed ships capable of cutting through the ice.

Both countries are also expected to study the Lomonosov Ridge, which runs through Greenland to Canada’s Ellesmere Island.

The area is believed to have up to 10 billion barrels of oil.

With the United States and Norway also having filed claims, the prospect for bitter territorial disputes has been raised. Russia, however, remains quietly confident.

Even if the sector is not awarded to Russia, it is unlikely any other country could seize it. If Russia is successful, however, its already mighty energy reserves would be given a massive boost - although there is still doubt about the technical feasibility of extracting oil and gas from the Arctic.

Despite growing concerns over the way Moscow uses its energy for political gain, Russian scientists have repeatedly pledged that there is no intention to grab any part of the Arctic.

"A unilateral annexation of the area by Russia is impossible,” said Viktor Posyolov of the Russian Institute of Ocean Geology, which has led the Arctic exploration. “We will strictly abide by the UN convention.”
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Canada on Thursday dismissed Russia's claim to a large chunk of the resource-rich Arctic, saying the tactic was more suited to the 15th century than the real world.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/c...tic_canada_col

And so the battle commences.
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Seriously, if it wasn't obvious before that Russia wants an energy monopoly they sure aren't making any secrets of it now.
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Silly Russians. Don't they know that in the 21st century you have to invade a country, oust their leader, and then keep your troops there for several years before you can claim a region's resources?
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That the Russians are bent on drilling for oil under the North Pole is a major reason be be alarmed. The have an incredibly messy way of dealing with natural resources, just like in the Soviet era. The Arctic will be an industrial wasteland in short order if they get their way.
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Unless the price of oil / natural gas increases exponentially, then these potential fields are useless as the operational costs (special equipment for cold weather, deep water drilling, tumultuous seas, ozone hole etc.) would far exceed the generated revenues.
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The North Magnetic pole is moving in a direction that will take it out of Canada. It is currently moving about 6 miles a year.

It always has been wandering. Some day it may change plces with the South magnetic pole ..again.

Even when we think we know where something is, it moves.

Expect change and learn to take advantage of it.
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