CSR salaries = big bucks

[karmakop]

Findings from a CSR (corporate social responsibility) salary survey show that the average wage of a CSR professional is between £40,000 and £60,000 a year, with 40 per cent of the sample earning that amount.

About 20 per cent take home £60,000–£80,000 and four per cent earn £120,000 or more.

Two-thirds of respondents worked in London – not surprising as the CSR function tends to be centred at company HQ.

The profession is evenly split between men and women (51 per cent female to 49 per cent male), yet there is a marked gap in the pay levels of the two sexes. A significantly larger proportion of men are in the top pay band, earning at least £120,000, and women are disproportionately represented in the two lowest bands. Only in the middle wage bands is there parity between the sexes.

The joint study by the consultancy Acona, recruitment agency Acre Resources and the Ethical Performance business newsletter shows that CSR managers are now as much a part of the scenery in British business as human resources professionals or marketing executives.

[Windguy]

Yes it is a male chauvinistic world, so positions that do not have some form of decent reputation usually fall to the good looking blond with legs. Ocupational Health and Safety use to be like that once. Mainly women ran the show, but these days a male normally takes responsibility for a more worthwhile paying job. Since OH &S has become popular it has also become male dominated. We can't end the differences in the sexes but if CSR takes off like OH&S then we should respect that women layed down the groundwork of our future in corporate organisations.

[sparky]

Gender pay is probably a whole different issue but it's not surprising that CSR has attracted the big salaries as so many companies seem caught up in it at the moment.

[Wobs]

Originally Posted by karmakop

yet there is a marked gap in the pay levels of the two sexes. A significantly larger proportion of men are in the top pay band, earning at least £120,000, and women are disproportionately represented in the two lowest bands. Only in the middle wage bands is there parity between the sexes.

When are people going to realise that differences in gender pay do not equate to discrimination. Men and women are very different, both in terms of attitude and priorities. An individual woman can make it to the top, and she's lauded as some kind of hero, a man makes it to the top, and no one bats an eyelid.

The truth is that women are less likely to work the long hours that a career man would, is less likely to be willing to take the risks that is needed to get to the top, and is less likely to follow that career continuously.

Wherever I've worked, the women have been the first to leave, because they've had other priorities. I've known successful women as well, and have been fine, but the high earners are those that have the dedication to the career, they are the most focussed.

Windguy wrote:

Yes it is a male chauvinistic world,

Another thing that holds women back is other women. A female boss is more likely to not promote a female than a male boss.

PS. They are indeed big salaries, but if they live in London, they'll probably need them.

[spadlet]

I think there's a fine line when it comes to women earning less than men. If someone is going to do a useful study they need to look at more than just industry averages. In some cases women may choose to work in less well paid jobs due to the general culture within the better paid industry and these cases are worth highlighting but equally some women do choose to work at things like bringing up their children, just as some men do.

Also some types of jobs are better suited to part-time and flexible working than others. This ability should also be considered when looking at gender discrepancies.

At the end of the day it would seem more helpful to me if the statistics showed things like what proportion of the women & men had children/other commitments and how acommodating the type of work was to such things as well as pay differences.

[Windguy]

Women also for some reason don't work well in even senior management roles in male dominated blue collar industries. It is a lot harder for them to earn the respect a male worker normally gives to a male boss. For some strange reason (me being chauvinistic due to past experiences) they believe they should gain each and every promotion, they believe they are flawless and if they become unpopular, everyones out to get them, not that they should look into their own backyard as to why they got passed up, why people don't want to listen to unasked for advice, or why they became unpopular. They also believe certain tasks are beneath them, they are better that those tasks. It's a rarity to find a woman who just relates to guys as a guy and knows and respects male unwritten rules in the workforce.

They also tend to go off (leave the job) with a bang, by either telling upper management we all are not working to the stage we can't call ourselves ***** or trumping up some form of harrassment charge as a final resort after sniping trouble onto certain collegues they hate.

One female collegue left me absolutely speachless with her spitefulness before her last day. And she seemed alright. The guy who's career she was trying to sabotage should be suing her instead. There are a few female collegues that do work well in a male dominated society and they know we respect them as a collegue only, for which they will be classed as one of the honourary boys. They deserve a promotion when they don't want it.

Just some of my experiences in a blue collar world where women have been employed.

[spadlet]

I'm not sure about that Windguy, not having been present at the situations, but I've seen a few female police officers that seemed to be trying to over compensate. The male ones were all friendly enough and some were having a bit of a laugh with us, whilst the women were noticable by their refusal to deviate from looking straight ahead and ignore us.

[Windguy]

I was actually wondering if similar things have occured with guys in women dominated industries.

I believe capsicum spray and tazers will allow women to be an equal in the police force now. Before then if a fight occured who would you rather backing you up, a 5 foot nothing woman or a 6 foot 2 bloke. So their over compensating is just to prove themselves worthy in the police force. When they do try to conpensate they rush into a situation without thought, which is dangerous.

In my industry the women I have worked with have to alert ten people about any small problem, and they take it upon themselves to report other peoples problems while that person is handling it anyway. A male dominated society, they believe they have to prove themselves all of the time. I feel sorry for them because bosses in a male dominated job just want the job done, and problems reported when they need to be reported. Courtesy emails after solving smaller problems go a long way in showing you are the best employee they can have. A set and forget employee.

[spadlet]

I think that sometimes the issues are more in people's heads. So far as I have seen, when in a work situation, the primary concern if for the work to be done. If you do good quality work and work hard then people tend to see past any initial judgements on gender. Having worked in both male and female dominated industries, I think that is true from a manager's point of view anyway. I think that it becomes more of an issue when the work culture is for people to socialise together alot outside work.

I'm not convinced that gender dominances are more difficult than cutural/class ones.

[Besoeker]

Anyone care to define what a CSR professional is/does?