The Jesus bed connection.

[alanejackson]

Originally Posted by Besoeker

No, I don't think that's right.

Think again.

We now have dictionaries that record the first use of words. This could have been done in the past also, but was not, that I know of. And would have been hard to do without/before written language. Yet the occurrence of this practice today should be accepted as evidence that it has been a rule for all words.
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The diary of Samuel Pepys 1667- 1669. It was a book on tape I got from the library. I recorded the part that tells of his brother passing out. In the diary Samuel describes the account as him "falling down all along the ground dead, which gave me a great fright." He meant not conscious.
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And many others to be found/noticed, if/once you know what to look for.

Now you study some books, which tell of records made at the time. The records/accounts tell of the bed and the word sleep being used, by the people that kept the records, and in the communities around them. But, of all the people that could have kept records, how many did? Of all the people that could have slept in beds, how many did. Of all the places/communities that could have kept records, how many recordings do we have? Is/Was the info you have studied, causing you to become aware of the norm? Or just the stile of the few that had a better life. Are you being shown spots of where civilization was taking hold, but you would like to think it was the norm?

The few literate people did have/use the word sleep. But many did not. The word dead, when said a certain way, may have meant sleep. To change to using the word "sleep" instead of the word "dead", could have been like the US changing to the metric system.

What ever the many reasons, many people are using the word dead when a person is discribed as having been not conscious. It makes the stories confusing. But at the same time emphasizing/spot-lighting vocabulary growth. Something most people don't seem to take into account, when getting history from old writtings. Something a person must do to be correct.

I'm saying it fits in time as a "History Book", was first written to teach us history. Religion has since perverted the original intent in an effort to control people politically through the control of education. When facts concerning history are missing as factors in your reasoning, you are more likely to make poor decisions. And you can be taken advantage of more easily. When a most important piece/part of history is missing from your memory/education, your link to humanity becomes questionable, to those in the future comparing the behavior of each generation in the past.

It is there, written down, you should have learned about it in school. Those in the future will. And they will behave diferently because their education was not severely lacking due to polical intervention.

The effects of Jesus working to get everyone in a bed is able to be traced back by/through a study of history, if you are looking for it.

[alanejackson]

One Reader Under God

The Middleman.

Or.

The Middlemen.


Understanding Creation. Making sense of it all.


In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God. Creation occurs due to belief. By God's power, man was created, and given free will and dominion on Earth. And our bodies are the temple of God, from which creation is now made manifest. Then came Satan. Created by men not recognizing God as their Creator, and feeling/experiencing the need for a god. Thus Satan was created by the grouping together of ignorant men using the power of God, in hopes of rectifying their inadequacies as individuals. Age and fear being factors.
God dwells in and creates everlasting truth by way of the individual. Satan dwells in and creates temporary falsehoods by way of the group. God influences our lives through individuals. Satan influences our lives through groups/politics. God recognizes the benefits of free will, Satan does not. God has learned and shares, Satan cannot. God strengthens, uplifts, and heals man, Satan weakens, sickens, and destroys man.


Technological progress is like an ax in the hands of a pathological criminal. - Albert Einstein


Religion is the effects of politics, in many forms and guises, attempting to control others by the control of historical knowledge/our inheritance.
Colleges, universities, and the military are the newest disguise of a religical ruling class/caste endeavoring to cash in on, control, and restrict what equal access, the library, and the militia offers a peoples. Their false pretense of power and authority are manifestations of our deficit of knowledge. By intentionally becoming a stumbling block, they strive to maintain and increase our ignorance to facilitate dependence upon them, offering a path of least resistance toward education and knowledge. They instill fear, causing many to remain in their homes, politically assigned communities, thus becoming humanitarily unsociable. This limiting their access to information to that of their controlled media/propaganda outlets. Their minds, their thinking, becoming indoctrinated with the darkness of the tainted truths of political correctness. Rather than gaining true enlightenment by way of exercising their free will, choice, concerning exposure to the information offered by the whole of reality.


One reading books, traveling and observing without prejudice, broadens the mind of the individual through educational experience. Then, conclusions can be drawn by the individual, based on memory of, reasoning of, and other mental attributes applied to his educational experience.
It is the individual acquiring knowledge from his creator that offers the progression and reformation of well-being to the whole of mankind, while becoming the greatest threat to a tyrannical ruling class control oriented opposition.


Historical data makes known to its perceiver the necessity of an individual man being intercessor between mankind and his creator in the process of receiving/acquiring divine revelation/discovery. Historical data also exposes the efforts of organized religion/politics as it robs, discredits, censors, and perverts the intercessor and his discovery in an attempt to maintain its false pretense of authority and necessity in our lives. The mere knowledge received and shared by the individual person chosen by our Divine Creator as intercessor, busts the union/religical organization for its attempts at controlling the sharing of education among the individuals comprising mankind.


Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.
The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to
hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. -Albert Einstein


By God I have discovered Moses is famous/has shared that smoking is beneficial, Jesus is famous/has shared that beds are beneficial, and that our movement in the Earth's magnetic field is beneficial. Due to this, by way of politically minded individuals and organizations my life has become one of being discredited, robbed, and imprisoned continually. And so have us all. Where if I/we had been allowed/able to share, and been assisted in this sharing, we all would have, by now, received the enlightenment God intended for us. And this, by God, another discovery, another lesson to be learned by individuals. Or hidden by political gangs.


Will you, as individuals, help defeat our enemies, prevent much suffering, by sharing these discoveries equally among us, without political prejudice, now? Will you learn to live in the name of Our Creator, God, or continue to die in the name of politics, Satan?


Joshua 9:14 And the men took of their victuals, and asked not counsel at the mouth of the Lord.

1 Chronicles 10:13 So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the Lord, even against the word of the Lord, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it;

James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

James 4:2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. 3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by alanejackson

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In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God. Creation occurs due to belief. By God's power, man was created, and given free will and dominion on Earth. And our bodies are the temple of God, from which creation is now made manifest. Then came Satan. Created by men not recognizing God as their Creator, and feeling/experiencing the need for a god.

Thus Satan was created by the grouping together of ignorant men using the power of God, in hopes of rectifying their inadequacies as individuals. Age and fear being factors.

God dwells in and creates everlasting truth by way of the individual. Satan dwells in and creates temporary falsehoods by way of the group. God influences our lives through individuals. Satan influences our lives through groups/politics. God recognizes the benefits of free will, Satan does not. God has learned and shares, Satan cannot. God strengthens, uplifts, and heals man, Satan weakens, sickens, and destroys man.

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One problem Alan, I think you got it the wrong way round.

The God to whom you are referring was the one who said said something along the lines of "do not eat from the tree of knowledge, for surely you will die etc". But then the "serpent" who you claim as evil, said "go ahead and eat it, you will not die". Which one was being honest? Was it the great vengeful sky-god (J. Hoover) or was it the earth god (that you people chose to liken to the serpent). And just what do you think the tree of knowledge was a reference to? I will not say what it is, but just point out that if it is so evil and wrong, why did we evolve cannaboid receptors in our brains?

The fact remains that many who see these long rambling posts will inevitably assume that you have indeed sampled a bit too much of that "tree of knowledge" ( ). But for obvious reasons I will assume nothing and will make no such insinuation myself.

Another important point is that you appear to be going against the teachings of your own holy-book. Since knowledge is evil - your attempts to enlighten us are satanic by your own definition. After all, Lucifer is by definition the "bringer of light" (the meaning of the word from Latin). So one who attempts to share knowledge (or enlightenment) is, by the your own definitions, luciferian, satanic and the work of the devil.

In fact, based on your YouTube videos, you appear to portray yourself as some sort of GURU. But think about it, what is a Guru? A Guru is by definition a "dispeller of darkness" (the meaning of the word from Sanskrit). But wait a minute......

"dispeller of darkness" = "bringer of light"

So, based on what your beliefs are founded upon, a Guru is the same thing as Lucifer. So, that just goes to show that depending on your perspective (and the belief system to which you have been subscribed), a person of knowledge is either revered as a Guru or reviled as a Satan.

Oh and by the way, the "physics" of that magneto-whatever theory is totally off. There are some philosophers who assert that the physical environment is simply a special case of the metaphysical environment. Unfortunately, since the physics of your theories is flawed, by extension the metaphysics of will be even more so...

Remember, Alan - this is an ENVIRONMENTAL website, and the membership, while being predominantly non-treehuggers, are still affiliated (by defintion) to the Earth, and the earth-god (who you choose to call a serpent). We mostly love snakes.

i.e., Environmentalists...

The point being that this is an unlikely place to find much of an audience for your theories. We are also, for the most part SANE.

I am, once again making no assumptions and insinuating nothing, but I will try to define what I mean by SANE. Now, there is no absolute definition for "sanity", but it does have certain characteristics that can be used for diagnostic purposes. These include thoughts, behaviour and actions that are rational, logical and reasonable the majority of the time.

SANE = RATIONAL + LOGICAL + REASONABLE. (at least most of the time, and when its important)

Think about it....


PS

THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR REALITY ... but this helps

[Thais]

The point being that this is an unlikely place to find much of an audience for your theories.

I don't think he's bothered too much about that - he's C&Ped this stuff onto dozens of other message boards.

Wait till you hear his theory that voters stay away from the polling stations because politicians make and appear illegal!

[forfismum]

As a practicing Pope, I find this thread highly offensive.All this talk of beds etc, tsk tsk. Beds are where we get to know our ladies and do some begating and other cool stuff.
Water into wine ,that's another good bit that we should get to grips with. I offer this amendment to the House.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by forfismum

I still think a section for nutters is a good idea.

Originally Posted by prashamk

Yeah we need a new segment for this kind of discussions so that we can keep it away from our core discussions.

Apparently we already have one - its called: Debates & Discussions - Discuss all things political, religious, sociological and so on...

[Besoeker]

Originally Posted by alanejackson

Think again.
We now have dictionaries that record the first use of words.

OK. In which year was the word "beef" first used in the English language?

[Karl]

The question we must all ask ourselves is: did the dinosaurs go extinct because they did not have beds?

Scientists Prove Jesus Walked with Dinosaurs

[alanejackson]

Originally Posted by Besoeker

OK. In which year was the word "beef" first used in the English language?

This. To the best of my knowledge, your reference to, and use of the word "beef" as a diversionary tactic, after making previous statements revealing to us your lack of knowledge, is its first usage, in this thread.

[alanejackson]

Originally Posted by Karl

Which one was being honest?

God. My dog does not have the knowledge of good and evil, like God and now we do. He has no awareness of death or dying. Only people die, or fear death. It is only their/our personal awareness that does, not the species. Without the knowledge of good and evil there is no reason to fear death. Pain, yes, but not death. Now death is a factor in our lives, not my dog's. The philosophical story is to help us understand why we are the way we are, different. The facts it relates to, I don't think would really be found in our history by employing a time machine. But it is educational, to those trying to understand why we are not like nature seems to have intended life to be, compared to the other life forms. We have disobeyed what seems to be the laws naturally intended for us,for all others. And we have become like God, (them).

If it was not for the knowledge of good and evil, and some not able to accept the good and bad, we would not have suicides, and premeditated murder. Death would not be noticed/ contemplated as a solution. The knowledge of it would not be able to be entertained in our thoughts. It was written to instill the fear of God in children, and a step in understanding for all.

That's what I am thinking, so far. All we have is educated guesses. I may get better at it if I don't die soon.

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"Few of us take the pains to study the origin of our cherished convictions;... The result is that most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believing as we already do... We can readily give what seems to us "good" reasons for being a Catholic or a Mason, a Republican or a Democrat. But the "real" reasons are usually on quite a different plane... The "real" reasons for our beliefs are concealed from ourselves as well as from others... We unconsciously absorb them from our environment. They are persistently whispered in our ear by the group in which we happen to live. Moreover, as Mr. Trotter has pointed out [in Instincts of the Herd] these judgments, being the product of suggestion and not of reasoning, have the quality of perfect obviousness, so that to question them is to the believer to carry skepticism to an insane degree, and will be met by contempt, disapproval, or condemnation, according to the nature of the belief in question. When, therefore, we find ourselves entertaining and opinion about the basis of which there is a quality of feeling which tells us that to inquire into it would be absurd, obviously unnecessary, unprofitable, undesirable, bad form, or wicked, we may know that the opinion is a non rational one, and probably, therefore, founded upon inadequate evidence... Our "good" reasons ordinarily have no value in promoting honest enlightenment, because, no matter how solemnly they may be marshaled, they are at bottom the result of personal preference or prejudice, and not of an honest desire to seek or except new knowledge... So we spend much time finding fault with circumstances and the conduct of others, and shifting on to them with great ingenuity the onus of our own failures and disappointments. Rationalizing is the self-exculpation which occurs when we feel ourselves, or our group, accused of misapprehension or error." - The Mind in the Making - James Harvey Robinson - 1920
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"It is clear, in any case, that our convictions on important matters are not the result of knowledge or critical thought, nor, it may be added, are they often dictated by supposed self-interest. Most of them are pure prejudices in the proper sense of the word. We do not form them ourselves. They are the whisperings of "the voice of the herd." We have in the last analysis no responsibility for them and need assume none.... Nevertheless, creative intelligence in its various forms and activities is what makes man. Were not for its slow, painful, and constantly discouraged operations through the ages man would be no more than a species of primate living on seeds, fruit, roots, and uncooked flesh, and wandering naked through the woods and over the plains like a chimpanzee." - The Mind in the Making - James Harvey Robinson - 1920