Ward's look at cause of global warming

[wardengineering]

[quote="wardengineering"]Coincidence of data of Sun and planets
In this case, the cone of force has a base of 36,000 miles and lever arms the distance to each planet.

36,000 should have been 300,000

[Buddy]

Originally Posted by wardengineering

When a friend of mine was listening to my ideas about Jupiter causing earthquakes and weather, he jumped up and brought me the book, "The Jupiter effect", shortly after it was published in 1974. He was aqauinted with the two authors. I read the book. It showed a lot of evidence on correlation of events with positions of Jupiter. The two men were on the right track but did not take it far enough. Jupiter alone is not sufficient to explain all of the rhythms of forces produced by the solar system.

Especially not recently.

[wardengineering]

Theories you have developed? I thought you were a civil engineer. Are you an astrophysicist too? Dedicated amateurs developed theories in the eighteenth century, but things have gotten a bit more complex since then.
What is at the center of Earth

from Ward
I am not a scientist or an amateur scientist. I am an engineer that studies the physical forces of nature that control our lives both physically and mentally.
I have personal friends who are scientists, doctors, lawyers, engineers and clairvoyants. Each, in his or her way, has taught me a lot and especially the clairvoyants. One of the scientists is molecular scientist and taught me the nature of the cell. The clairvoyants taught me the difference between the constructed thought system we use to interpret the physical world with our five senses and the inherent thought system that can be used straight away any where in time as a sixth sense. Not an easy concept for a scientist.
The molecular scientist has a clairvoyant and I as personal friends and you can imagine his dilemma when confronted with us both. The bottom line is the mind is not confined to the body.
Early on in my profession as a consulting engineer I was having lunch, as usual, with engineering friends. we were discussing the nature of gravity and what happened to gravity within the Earth. No one knew the answer. Here were a group of highly educated engineers, designing and building bridges and large buildings to withstand the force of gravity, using all of the sciences from their respective universities, and could not answer that question. I resolved to find the answer.
No one does anything in the way of design without riding on the backs of all those men and women that laid the basis for his work before him. That includes such men as Galileo, Kepler, Copernicus, Newton, Tesla and the many engineers and scientists that have worked in the fields of Engineering, Hydrology, Meteorology, Seismology, Geology and Astronomy. Nikola Tesla was probably a clairvoyant.
Using an engineering technique to find the concentration of force on a beam, I found a way to estimate the changing gravity force as one enters the Earth.
I started by slicing the Earth into accumulative 100 mile hemispheres, starting with the first 100 miles at the surface. I then compared the mass of each accumulating 100 miles with the remaining rest of the Earth. I estimated the mass of each increasing 100 mile hemisphere with evidence of increasing densities as determined from Seismology. The calculations showed an increasing force of gravity from the surface gravity of 32 feet per second per second to a peak of gravity at three eighths the radius of Earth, returning to zero at the center of Earth. Not surprising since I was using hemispheres to make the calculations. But what did a two dimensional graph mean?
When I plotted the evidence of the discontinuity lines from Seismology, the curve of the graph fit the lines of changes in the state of the rock from rock, to plastic, from plastic to liquid, and from liquid back to rock as shown by Seismology. When I rotated the graph 360 degrees, it meant I had a new idea of the physics of Earth that differed from accepted science. The center of mass of the Earth was not at the center of Earth.
From what I learned to be the truer model of the physics of Earth, I designed the computer model of the solar system.

[Buddy]

Originally Posted by wardengineering

Each, in his or her way, has taught me a lot and especially the clairvoyants.

Really?

[wardengineering]

There is great inertia in science, medicine, law, governments and religion. The railroad effect is a metaphor that describes the continuing implementation of ideas, good or bad, that persist for centuries because it became a foundation for so many other rules of society that the origin of the idea has long since been forgotten. Take for example the railroad effect.
England was the first country to develop a railroad. The track width was set at 4 feet 8 2 inches. Where did the track width come from?
The Romans invaded England in the First Century BC and again in the First Century AD. The Romans brought with them their Calvary and war machines drawn by horses. The Romans had built a wagon with wheels the width of two horses so that the following wheels aligned with the tracks of the horses. This served to compact the trails for the wheels and help to prevent the wagon wheels from being broken by rocky terrain. Thus the width of 4 feet 8 2 inches became the width for all future tracks which followed two horses= asses. Even the space age had to conform to the width of the old Roman standard because the components of the space shuttle, built in various parts of the country, had to be transported by rail to central assembly areas and could be no wider than the tunnels of the railroad through which the rails ran. In other words, the space age is still controlled by the Roman two thousand tear old standard of two horses' asses. No one questions the effect of the two horses= asses syndrome.

[wardengineering]

Earth and planets part 3 disease

The planets have more to do with global warming and environmental pressures on the life on Earth than any of man’s activities. A good example is the outbreak of disease in Mexico in 1574 that may have wiped out the Aztec civilization in Mexico. Epidemiologist Rodolfo Acuna-Soto, reporting in Time Magazine, refers to it as the time of Megadeath. The death toll forever altered the culture of Mesoamerica. The epidemic that appeared in 1545 followed by another In 1576, seem to be similar to the plagues of Europe and Asia. The Aztecs called these outbreaks by a separate name, COCOLITZLI. Acuna-Soto says COCOLITZLI quickly brought incomparable devastation that passed readily from one region to the next and killed quickly. The census data from the time of the Spanish invasion were so good that Acuna-Soto found he could track the movement of epidemics from village to village across the country. Acuna-Soto found a manuscript of Friar Juan De Torquemada, a Franciscan historian writing in 1577, describes the wake of COCLITZLI in detail, --It was a thing of great bewilderment to see the people die. Many were dead, and others almost dead, and nobody had the health or strength to help the diseased or bury the dead in the cities and large towns. Big ditches were dug and from morning to sunset, the priests did nothing but carry the dead bodies and throw them into the ditches. It lasted for a year and a half, and with great excess in the number of deaths. After the murderous epidemic, the Viceroy Martin Enriquez wanted to know the number of missing people in new Spain. After searching in towns and neighborhoods he found that the number of deaths were more than 2 million.
The theory presented by Acuna-Soto was a drought in the region had forced rodents to hole up at existing water holes and spread the disease throughout their progenitors. When the rains came the animals spread out for food leaving their disease infected feces and urine over the land. Winds of following droughts stirred up the disease laden dust infecting the natives with a hemorrhagic epidemic. Acuna-Soto counted 24 epidemics from 1545 to 1813 which matches the number of the Jupiter system force peaks accounting for rains followed by periods of droughts generated by my solar program.
Time Magazine reported a similar plague may have occurred in 1993 among Indians living in the four corners area of the United States. There, a virus called Hantavirus believed to be spread by deer mice. A report issued by the Centers for Disease Control set the agency’s theory. --Heavy snow falls and rainfall helped drought-stricken plants and animals to revive and grow in larger-than-usual numbers--- reproducing so rapidly that there were 10 times more mice in 1993 than there had been in May of 1992.--
A 1927 outbreak of the mice in the Buena Vista lake area of southern California illustrates how quickly a potential disaster can occur, This case did not have the accompanying disease. It was estimated the mice population to be 82,000 per acre after rains of November 1926 and February of 1927. Tender hearted people were loath to drive along the road to Taft because of so many mice on the road way. The Jupiter system force was very low from 1925 to 1937.
One hundred years earlier, in 1829, Hudson’s Bay Company’s French trappers entered California to find the beaver country of which the earlier trappers of Jedediah Smith’s men had told them. At this time, they reported the San Joaquin Valley was peppered with Indian villages containing fifty to one hundred dwellings each.
A separate expedition in 1833, found the villages practically wiped out by an epidemic of some type of intermittent fever and with many of the dead lying unburied.
The Jupiter system of force was remarkably similar to both the 1925 to 1927 event and the 1545-1574 Mexican events.
The Brewer’s notes of geologic survey of 1860-1864, riding up and down California on horseback, made reports of Indians in Northern California and higher elevations, but no reports of Indian villages in the San Joaquin Valley and very little habitation found only near the foothills, and lack of feed for his animals. He reported many dead cattle from the drought in the summer of 1864. Heavy runoff from storms carry with them 50% solids. The deposition from the great flood in the Sacramento and San Joaquin Valleys of the winter of 1861’62 reported by Brewer, could have buried any evidence of Indian villages.
By contrast, Jedediah Smith’s men spent the winter of 1827-28 in the San Joaquin Valley and wrote the valley was a hunter’s paradise but was mired down by swamps and mud in the Sacramento Valley. Smith never complained of lack of feed as did Brewer.
An era of stress releasing and therefore global warming had begun with the high stress force in the winter of 1623’24. This was the 8th highest stress force recorded since 323BC. The stress force began marching downward to a low stress force of the winter of 1932’33, again in the winter of 1969’70, the lowest stress force since the summer of 432BC and the winter of 463’63AD. The winter of 1988’89 began a rise in the stress force that will continue until the winter of 2239’40 and then level off for over 350 years until the winter of 2596‘97.

[Wobs]

Originally Posted by wardengineering

There is great inertia in science, medicine, law, governments and religion. The railroad effect is a metaphor that describes the continuing implementation of ideas, good or bad, that persist for centuries because it became a foundation for so many other rules of society that the origin of the idea has long since been forgotten. Take for example the railroad effect.
England was the first country to develop a railroad. The track width was set at 4 feet 8 2 inches. Where did the track width come from?
The Romans invaded England in the First Century BC and again in the First Century AD. The Romans brought with them their Calvary and war machines drawn by horses. The Romans had built a wagon with wheels the width of two horses so that the following wheels aligned with the tracks of the horses. This served to compact the trails for the wheels and help to prevent the wagon wheels from being broken by rocky terrain. Thus the width of 4 feet 8 2 inches became the width for all future tracks which followed two horses= asses. Even the space age had to conform to the width of the old Roman standard because the components of the space shuttle, built in various parts of the country, had to be transported by rail to central assembly areas and could be no wider than the tunnels of the railroad through which the rails ran. In other words, the space age is still controlled by the Roman two thousand tear old standard of two horses' asses. No one questions the effect of the two horses= asses syndrome.

http://www.snopes.com/history/american/gauge.htm

[wardengineering]

Mars

A recent study published by the British journal Nature, written by a NASA planetary scientist Lori Fenton on the temperature changes of Mars, suggests a short term climate change is currently occurring on Mars at a much faster rate than on Earth. The study also suggests that the cause is more of the Sun’s heat is absorbed into the atmosphere causing temperatures to rise and conversely the more heat reflected cases temperatures to fall.
The temperature of Mars rose 1.17F during a period from 1970’s to the 1990’s compared to Earth’s rise of 1.33F over the last century. The mass of Mars is about 10 percent of the mass of Earth so that the same forces acting on Earth should have 90% more effect on Mars. But then one would have to accept the notion that planets are heated or cooled from the inside and not from the outside.
It appears scientists see what they want to see and make it fit a fixed idea of long term accepted science. By contrast an engineer sees how the forces of nature fit the environment at hand in the design of flood control, building construction and infrastructure with safety in mind. It doesn’t pay to overlook a safety flaw in the long term use of a structural component.
When I first made the study of the Earth finding the center of mass to be at three-eighths of the Earth’s radius, I also determined what size the Earth had to be to melt the rock from space. Comparing this information with Mars and Venus, it showed that neither one was large enough to melt the rock, although Venus was close.
Scientists have measured time by using Radiometric Dating of potassium\argon gas. They have found the date of the oldest rock on Earth was 4.567 billion years old. They have also found a bacteria, Cyanonbacteria, in rock dated 3 to 3.5 billions years ago associated with shallow water.
In order for the bacteria to be found in water at the date stated, the Earth needed a certain size in order to develop a molten core so that water could be separated from the rock accumulated from space and brought to the surface. Mars is an example of a planet without sufficient size to melt the original rock accreted from outer space. Venus may be border line since it had no magnetic field as reported by the 1992 Magellan space research but was found to have a small magnetic field 12 years earlier in a 1980 fly by mission.
The space craft Magellan measured some of the characteristics of Venus with radar. At the time of the measurement(1992), it appears the interior of Venus had an iron core much larger than Earth being about 1800 miles in radius compared to Earth’s 800 miles radius iron core and a rocky molten mantle similar to Earth, but no liquid interior. According to my studies, a planet must have a liquid core to be able to generate a magnetic field. The mass of Venus is about 81 percent of earth although its overall diameter is five percent smaller than Earth. Results from the Magellan gravity data indicate that Venus' crust is stronger and thicker than Earth. No gravity was detected.
In my studies, the heating of planets is the result of the accumulation of rock from outer space which adds to its mass. The more mass, the hotter the interior of the planet becomes. As planets move toward each other the mass of each planet is increased according to Newton’s law: Force is equal to the product of the masses proportional to the square of the distance between them. This includes the Sun. When they have acquired enough size to melt the interior, as Earth has done, then, in that event, the action of the planets moving toward each other causes the heat of increased mass to be used as the heat of fusion to change the state of the material from a solid rock to a molten liquid. While the change is taking place, the liquid stays at the same temperature as the latent heat becomes stored heat in the liquid and the surrounding rock seems to cool. Comparing the magnitude of this phase with historical data, a period of a global cooling phase appears.
Venus may be a good example of how global warming and cooling takes place. When the Magellan mission measured Venus in 1992, the liquid core may have been too small to be detected by Magellan instruments. The present rhythm of Venus at its peak influence with respect to Earth is on a 24 year cycle with 12 years of cooling and 12 years of heating with advances and retreats of heating and cooling on a rhythm of 1.6 years as Venus moves past Earth. The measurement taken by Magellan in 1992, was 12 years into its cooling cycle with the liquid core width being close to zero. The heat being lost because Venus had moved to its farthest position from Earth. Unlike Earth and its three million miles yearly change in its elliptical orbit around the Sun, the orbit of Venus is almost circular, presenting little heat exchanges with the Sun caused by its orbit around the sun. Its movement with respect to Earth replaces the Sun. From close to far, Venus force changes 40 times in magnitude.
The earlier measurement, taken by NASA in 1980, indicated a slight magnetic field which could have resulted because it had a small liquid interior. At the time the 1980 measurement was taken, Mt. St. Helens was beginning a series of eruptions. It began another series of eruptions 24 years later in 2004, both times as Venus was approaching Earth during Earth’s cooling phase for that period of time, and both times the Moon was involved. Two pieces of information may be inferred by this evidence: some physical process took place within Venus to have a magnetic field one time and not another and Venus was involved in the 1980 and 2004 eruptions of Mt. St. Helens.
The Earth had to have enough size at the time of the 3.5 billions year old Cyanobacteria found in fossil rock to be associated with water. Reducing the present diameter of Earth by the molten core of 1400 miles x 2 for both sides, the result is a diameter of 5119 miles. A diameter of at least 5150 was assumed to begin the volcanic and water producing phase with 3.25 billion years(average for Cyanobacteria). Comparing the size of Earth then with its size now and present time of 24 hour days results in 5150x24/7919=15.6 hrs days or 8.4 hrs lost in the past or 0.0000093 seconds per year.
Comparing this information with the age of the oldest rock found to be 4.6 billion years old, meant that the length of day was 11.8 hours shorter than today’s 24 hours or 12.2 hour days. Ironically the 12 hour day is reported to be the cellular rhythm of modern day Cyanobacteria.
A reasonable analysis of this situation is that the slowing of the Earth has resulted from the accumulation of rock from outer space. The same would have occurred throughout the solar system changing the orbits of all planets and their periods of rotation as they accumulated rock from space. The Moon would have had the same effect on Earth from day one. Perhaps the Moon stated out the same size as Earth, but its orbit, circling Earth, placed itself in a position to acquired material from space perhaps only half the time. The Sun accumulated material as well, but being 330,000 times the size of Earth the affect is that it would control everything.
The Sun’s heat with respect to water had to have been very consistent for water to remain as a liquid throughout time, all be it sometimes snow and ice, and sometimes vapor
The size of Earth of 5150 miles in diameter compared to the present diameter of Venus of 7600 miles is 68%. The difference in density between Earth and Venus and the smaller diameter is not enough to say Venus does not have a liquid interior. Perhaps the Earth’s eccentric orbit around the sun and the Moon’s equally eccentric orbit around Earth make up the difference. The Moon has a 24 years rhythm which coordinates with Venus with enough force in 4.6 million years to tilt the Earth 23.5 degrees and move the Moon forward to an 18.6 year rhythm of advancement.

[Richard]

Originally Posted by Wobs

http://www.snopes.com/history/american/gauge.htm

You can rebutt his arguments all you want Wobs, I don't think he's listening...

[cbacba]

Originally Posted by Patred_Cow

Such things tend to be the case, if you are referring to a linear path it could as easy be put down to the transit of tectonic plates over a magma pocket, a more traditional but no less valid explanation? If however they were simply scattered about a large caldera then I don't see why this would have suprised you? Is it not to be expected that there would be volcanic vents concentrated in a caldera? It being a volcanic feature associated with vents after all.

It doesn't really though, it's a lone, controversial and less than reputable voice. The weight of evidence is still with the anthropogenic forcing theory, a single piece of research saying differently is not going to convince many people that a theory well supported by evidence is wrong. It would take a lot of corroborating evidence and an explanation for results seemingly portraying anthropogenic GHG's as the primary cause of the current trend. Once more I will make the point that it is an enhanced global warming that is under debate. The warming we are seeing outside of the natural range of variability and we are certainly seeing such a thing is attributable to anthropogenic GHG's. Your theory pinpoints a further source of the natural variability it does little to discount GHG's as the source of the unatural variability we are now seeing.

Interesting how the presumption of AGW, specifically co2 has the weight of the nonexistant evidence while Svensmark and cosmoclimatology are less than reputable for some reason not provided. Also, it's a bit presumptive to claim that what we are seeing is outside of the natural range of variability CONSIDERING that we don't know what that range is on all but the shortest of time scales and there is plenty of historical indirect evidence to suggest that this supposed natural variability is significantly greater than what has been recently claimed.

While I find Ward's ideas interesting with some bit of plausibility to them, I do not accept them any more than I accept the notion that co2 at its present concentration or even radically increased concentrations could have any serious effects on global temperature. And, for the same reason.

While the sun and moon may actually impact equake and volcanic erruption times - per some of the ideas presented by Stephen O'Meara, author and volcano and astronomy gadfly, I don't think there is suitable force left for more distant bodies to provide suitable input.

In the case co2, it's already doing over (probably well over) 90% of what it can do at any concentration and providing a whopping 3 to 7 degrees C of contribution to our earth's temperature, more likely 3 degrees. That means for the "get something for nothing" crowd that there is about 0.3 degrees C to no more than probably about 0.7 degrees C of actual temperature that could be gained at any concentration levels - and that doesn't just mean if THE co2 level merely doubles.

That is what is meant by the statement that there isn't a mechanism to tie GW to co2, beyond what already exists, except for very minute contributions. Raising the temperature by adding co2 to the atmosphere is like trying to make a glass of iced tea sweeter by adding more sugar after the tea has become saturated. The sugar just settles to the bottom as it cannot dissolve. The temperature effects of co2 are well saturated and adding more isn't going to help warm the planet. This is because of the IR blocking mechanisms of ghgs are in bands of wavelength and because co2 blocks its major bands in very short distances - far shorter than the height of the atmosphere. Any effects left to be added are more like pluto's gravitational attraction affecting earth's volcanoes.

As to what causes variations, one merely has to check out water vapor and its extremely potent twin, clouds. Clouds affect all wavelengths of light and cool during the daytime and trap some heat at night - rather like water vapor does since it's not dealing with visible wavelengths of radiant energy. Unlike co2 which is rather consistant due to atmospheric mixing, clouds are quite spotty and transient. Yesterday here it was totally clear and high 70s, today it's totally cloudy and mid 50s.

Global cloud covering variations of just a few percent are going to have dramatic effects upon just how much solar radiant energy makes it to earth. There are numerous tie ins for cloud formation and other causes. One of the first to be discovered was that of cosmic rays. The famous Wilson Cloud Chamber experiment which discovered cosmic radiation was an attempt to study the formation of clouds - and did it ever get sidetracked. Particulates and chemicals also have effects. So far though, rainmakers have had a terrible time trying to succeed at such efforts using the best alternatives known.

Cosmic rays are known to help form clouds. They are also charged particles subject to magnetic fields. Intensities vary with the sun's magnetic field which has an 11 year cycle referred to as the sun spot cycle for the best known variation. There is also a mean level that isn't fluctuating with the cycle. While the sun produces copious amounts of lower energy cosmic rays (<100kev), higher energy ones come from sources outside the solar system. These come from areas of star formation and other objects and areas. This is the realm of cosmoclimatology and that Danish researcher Svensmark.

From what I've seen so far, Svensmark is more interested in the major long time variations of climate due to the solar systems' position in the galactic plane as it 'bobs' up and down in its travels around the galactic center.

What I've read of his work so far doesn't really cover anything of the shorter term variations due to the sun's magnetic field changes. There are others doing that and their little chart of the relationship between temperature changes and magnetic field activity are sort of like those of the co2 and earth temperature charts - except they're much more closely tied in and track better in the shorter term.

I'd like to see what it is that makes Svensmark a kook or and industry stooge or whatever the heck you think makes him unreliable. I'd also like to see your evidence as to the correct tie-in mechanism between co2 and how it changes the temperatures or will change the temperature - (not the charts that merely show one sort of follows the other but not which follows which). FInally, I'd like to see the proof that our current warming is outside of normal boundaries.

As for the lone wolf, in school, I read about this patent clerk named albert who suggested that light came in discrete packets and it could explain the photoelectric effect around the same time he suggested that the speed of light in a vacuum was measurable as that by all observers in inertial frames of reference and that this new way of looking at stuff could be thought of as relativity. Later he came up with E=mc^2 and what became known as general relativity. Far as i can tell, his ideas actually caught on rather well and are still pretty much around a hundred years later. When first published though, this patent clerk was was definitely the lone wolf going up against the consensus of the pack - of which he was not even a member at that time.