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The systems of force I am describing move the tectonic plates. This study shows only the influence of planets that are producing most of the weather, seismic and volcanic reactive actions seen on Earth. No outside solar system forces are included in the study.

The Jupiter system of force is made up of the effect of all planets, including the Earth, working on Jupiter along the Jupiter-Sun axis. The theory is whatever affects Jupiter, affects the Sun and, in turn, affects the Earth. The outer planets have the most influence on Jupiter and, collectively, have the most influence on the Sun.

The much smaller Planet system of force is made up of all planets working on Earth along the Earth-Sun axis.

The Moon system of force, also working along the Earth-Sun axis, is nearly equal in strength as the Jupiter system of force, but without the range because its distance change to Earth is small compared to the Jupiter system.

The Sun system of force is the greatest magnitude of force but in order to see its effect, I had to subtract a fixed number to see a yearly change of force as applied by the planets working on the Sun. This allowed me to see the magnitude as well as the date of change.
There is a rate of change in all the systems of force, which have a direct bearing on the reaction of Earth and its atmosphere.

Each of the systems of force have a changing vector of force which is related to the direction of the movement of the tectonic plates and gives a sense of where the reaction of Earth may take place as in the case of earthquakes and weather.

The location of volcanic reaction seems to be more closely related to the magnitude of the Sun system of force and the long term rhythm of the Moon. Once the volcano is awakened the inner planets come into play. This has to do with the movement of the tectonic plates and the total magnitude of force as it builds tension along plate boundaries and then releases tension in the crust to allow release of the changing volume and pressures of the liquid core.

The inner core has a rhythm of latent heat exchanges associated with all solar movement. The heat exchange rhythm determines the strength of the magnetic field, the strength of the stored electrical charge in the crust and the long term temperatures of global warming and cooling. The oceans of the world transmit the inner heat more readily than do the continents.

The strength of the Sun system of force drag on the inner liquid core is sensitive to the annual rhythm of the Earth but the magnitude of the Earth tide is modulated by the Moon system of force and both the Jupiter and Planet systems of force.
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The systems of force I am describing move the tectonic plates. This study shows only the influence of planets that are producing most of the weather, seismic and volcanic reactive actions seen on Earth. No outside solar system forces are included in the study.

The Jupiter system of force is made up of the effect of all planets, including the Earth, working on Jupiter along the Jupiter-Sun axis. The theory is whatever affects Jupiter, affects the Sun and, in turn, affects the Earth. The outer planets have the most influence on Jupiter and, collectively, have the most influence on the Sun.

The much smaller Planet system of force is made up of all planets working on Earth along the Earth-Sun axis.

The Moon system of force, also working along the Earth-Sun axis, is nearly equal in strength as the Jupiter system of force, but without the range because its distance change to Earth is small compared to the Jupiter system.

The Sun system of force is the greatest magnitude of force but in order to see its effect, I had to subtract a fixed number to see a yearly change of force as applied by the planets working on the Sun. This allowed me to see the magnitude as well as the date of change.
There is a rate of change in all the systems of force, which have a direct bearing on the reaction of Earth and its atmosphere.

Each of the systems of force have a changing vector of force which is related to the direction of the movement of the tectonic plates and gives a sense of where the reaction of Earth may take place as in the case of earthquakes and weather.

The location of volcanic reaction seems to be more closely related to the magnitude of the Sun system of force and the long term rhythm of the Moon. Once the volcano is awakened the inner planets come into play. This has to do with the movement of the tectonic plates and the total magnitude of force as it builds tension along plate boundaries and then releases tension in the crust to allow release of the changing volume and pressures of the liquid core.

The inner core has a rhythm of latent heat exchanges associated with all solar movement. The heat exchange rhythm determines the strength of the magnetic field, the strength of the stored electrical charge in the crust and the long term temperatures of global warming and cooling. The oceans of the world transmit the inner heat more readily than do the continents.

The strength of the Sun system of force drag on the inner liquid core is sensitive to the annual rhythm of the Earth but the magnitude of the Earth tide is modulated by the Moon system of force and both the Jupiter and Planet systems of force.
What magnitude of force do you propose Jupiter has compared to the much nearer moon?

Also why no mention of the earth itself as a factor in plate tectonic movement? Surely the heat from radioactive decay, the variability of the internal materials and resultant pressure gradients, the gravity from the mass of the core and the earth's rotation must be by far the biggest factors in plate tectonic movement? What you arguing is like saying that someone who sits on a washing machine has more effect on turning the washing in the drum than the machine itself.

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What magnitude of force do you propose Jupiter has compared to the much nearer moon?

Also why no mention of the earth itself as a factor in plate tectonic movement? Surely the heat from radioactive decay, the variability of the internal materials and resultant pressure gradients, the gravity from the mass of the core and the earth's rotation must be by far the biggest factors in plate tectonic movement? What you arguing is like saying that someone who sits on a washing machine has more effect on turning the washing in the drum than the machine itself.
People have been over this before, Wards answer to reasonable questions like these is to ignore them and post page after page after page after page after page after page after page after page of this tedious brainfart to the forum. only a breeze block headbutting imbecile would think that this has any merit whatsoever.
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“What magnitude of force do you propose Jupiter has compared to the much nearer moon?

Also why no mention of the earth itself as a factor in plate tectonic movement? Surely the heat from radioactive decay, the variability of the internal materials and resultant pressure gradients, the gravity from the mass of the core and the earth's rotation must be by far the biggest factors in plate tectonic movement? What you arguing is like saying that someone who sits on a washing machine has more effect on turning the washing in the drum than the machine itself.”

The moon has much greater contribution of force. The Jupiter force is part of the Moon system of force.

The heat within the Earth is not from Radioactive decay but the latent heat exchanges. My theories are based on the movement of planets. The heat within the Earth developed from the increase of mass as the Earth grew. The balance of heat is modulated by the planets and the Sun.

Yes, the mass of the core and the Earth’s rotation is the biggest factor in the plate tectonic.

Thanks for the sensible questions.
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What ? Sandy Winder asked the question,Ward ,not me but work away anyways and never mind the spotty one's abuse
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“What magnitude of force do you propose Jupiter has compared to the much nearer moon?

Also why no mention of the earth itself as a factor in plate tectonic movement? Surely the heat from radioactive decay, the variability of the internal materials and resultant pressure gradients, the gravity from the mass of the core and the earth's rotation must be by far the biggest factors in plate tectonic movement? What you arguing is like saying that someone who sits on a washing machine has more effect on turning the washing in the drum than the machine itself.”

The moon has much greater contribution of force. The Jupiter force is part of the Moon system of force.

The heat within the Earth is not from Radioactive decay but the latent heat exchanges. My theories are based on the movement of planets. The heat within the Earth developed from the increase of mass as the Earth grew. The balance of heat is modulated by the planets and the Sun.

Yes, the mass of the core and the Earth’s rotation is the biggest factor in the plate tectonic.

Thanks for the sensible questions.
You are welcome. If nothing else you have provoked some interesting thoughts and questions. I'd like to draw your attention this site:

Probing Question: What heats the earth's core?

which explains all the sources of heat from within the earth.

Latent heat does have an impact on internal temperatures but...

<<< For all this, however, Marone says, the vast majority of the heat in Earth's interior—up to 90 percent—is fueled by the decaying of radioactive isotopes like Potassium 40, Uranium 238, 235, and Thorium 232 contained within the mantle. These isotopes radiate heat as they shed excess energy and move toward stability. "The amount of heat caused by this radiation is almost the same as the total heat measured emanating from the Earth." >>>

If you have a barbecue and you burn your finger is it because of the heat from the barbecue or the heat from the sun? This might sound a daft querstion but without the sun, your finger would freeze. The point is though that the biggest variable factor is where you put your finger. And the same point holds for climate change and carbon dioxide emissions. I believe that what happens on the earth has a far bigger input on climate change than external factors.

The sun is much brighter today than it was hundreds of millions of years ago, yet temperatures were then much warmer. Why?
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Thanks Sandy Winder, I'll read the cite over the weekend. In the mean time the following should be interesting.


From NASA Science News for July 11, 2008

The sun is entering its third year of eerie calm. Sunspots are rare and solar flares simply aren't happening. Is this "solar minimum" lasting longer than it should? A NASA scientist has examined centuries of sunspot data to find the answer, revealed in today's story from Science@NASA:

NASA - What's Wrong with the Sun?

This data reflects the same data produced by my Jupiter system of force. My program has the precision of NASA’s published ephemerides. The date of this notice, July 11, 2008, is 17 years after the full Sun eclipse of July 11, 1991. This means the same position will be reached about February of 2010.

The present minimum will last until April 2012 and then begin to retreat slowly to January 2017 picking up speed to October 2020 returning to a minimum well into 2035.
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Most of the world is conditioned to accept as true whatever those with recognized authority states as true. Politicians can “al-gorize“ any given subject into what ever fabrication suits their agenda using enough common true facts to hide their fabrications and influence the unsuspecting. An unconscious bias is always present, which confounds ignorance with faith. For whatever reason, the political parties usually divide itself into two equally opposing forces like the plus and minus signs of magnetic poles.

Scientists have such recognition by the public. What they state is accepted as fact by most less scientifically educated people. Thus, the rhetoric issuing on the cause of global warming is divided into two opposing camps and which ever wins is the one with the best propaganda and will have nothing to do with science. Who will lose the most by this insane contest? Those who can least afford it.

William Schopf, Professor of Paleobiology wrote “Cradle of Life” published in 1999. He wrote, “We can surmise that what ever continents that existed were small by present standards and they trucked along around the globe surface faster than today powered by a large amount of heat escaping from the earth’s interior. The Earth revolved more rapidly and days were shorter tides greater, storms more severe. The skies were a hazy steel-gray blue, darkened by dust storms, volcanic clouds and fine rocky debris kicked up by bombarding meteorites. The atmosphere was rich in nitrogen, carbon dioxide and water vapor but contained only trace amounts of oxygen gas (the oxygen level was 10-11 bars). Because of the near absence of free oxygen, ultraviolet absorbing ozone was in short supply, so the earth's surface was bathed in ultraviolet light, lethal to early life.”

Answer to “PROBING QUESTIONS” from the internet.

“Although we crust-dwellers walk on nice cool ground, underneath our feet the Earth is a pretty hot place. Enough heat emanates from the planet's interior to make 200 cups of piping hot coffee per hour for each of Earth's 6.2 billion inhabitants, says Chris Marone, Penn State professor of geosciences. At the very center, it is believed temperatures exceed 11,000 degrees Fahrenheit, hotter than the surface of the sun.”

Both Professor Schopf and professor Marone are stating accepted science dogma as a belief without questioning such principles. Some of the statements made by both men are true, but some are simple dogma. The problem with belief is “when you believe something you have given up all other possibilities.” For example, Schopf infers the movement of the surface continents are “powered by a large amount of heat escaping from the earth’s interior,” while Marone believed temperatures exceed 11,000 degrees Fahrenheit, hotter than the surface of the sun.”

As an engineer and land surveyor, I have done my own investigations. The investigations have included the findings of Seismologists with respect to lines of discontinuity within the Earth and recorded estimate of temperatures. Lines of discontinuity are simply the division between states of materials within the Earth as crystalline rock changes state to non-crystalline and then to liquid form and then back to crystalline rock. I verified the lines of discontinuity with my own engineering procedures. In doing so, I discovered an error in the accepted science. That is, the Earth did not exist first as a ball of molten rock and then cooled leaving a remnant of the original molten rock, but grew from cold debris accreted from space.

We have three close planets which have information being ignored because of the mentioned dogma: Moon, Venus and Mars. Two of the planets, Moon and Mars, do not have surface water or a magnetic field, and Venus has a sometimes magnetic field and no water. There are physical reasons for this.

The theories I have developed solve some of these problems. a planet did not come together with a molten mass and then cooled. The debris from space that was to form the planets was cold. It came together and grew in size to develop heat mostly from the mass of the planet itself.
1) The size and density of a planet determines when there will be enough heat from pressure to melt the rock and produce the water from the chemicals in the rock.
2) The center of gravity is not at the center of Earth but at three-eights radius of Earth, the same area where temperatures were reached sufficient to melt the rock and liquid began to form.
3) The rest of the conclusions of planetary influence were simply engineering logic.
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I don't know why you don't simply write a paper on your theory and try to get it published in a journal rather than writing it here (where no-one really understands what you're on about).
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