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[Windguy]

No, I am saying an extra strong La nina we've had for the last two years was brought on by the excessivemelting of the Arctic. Do you know anything about latent heat energy at all??

Now something you have to realise is it has been estimated we are 20 to 500 years behind the equilibrium point of the planets temperature because of how slow it is to heat the ocean. even if we had only seen a 0.1C increase I would say for certainty AGW is happening just because the ocean has heated up by 14.5*10^23J of energy since 1950. Somehow CO2 has locked in more heat energy than we have burn't in fossil fuels EVER!!

Thank the ocean as to why we are not at a 1.5C increase already, and with that the predicted disasters. Unless we remove CO2 now, it's only time to that temp increase even if everyone got a pushbike and our houses ran on solar energy.

What is worse is that 1.5 can pass some tipping points that could drive the temperature further north with some predictions up to 6C. Then there is the other possibility of snap freezing Europe into a deep ice age because of the slow down of the thermohaline current.

[Paradox]

Originally Posted by spot1234

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!


I can't beleive anyone wastes their time arguing with you when you come out with batshit insane statements like that.


Moron.

There are actually many underwater Caldera's throughout the world (massive ones in the arctic) and many believe their contributions to water temperature to be grossly underestimated. It's an area we need more information about. Is that observation batshit, insane and moronic? You represent yourself poorly Spot1234...a credit to your beliefs, you are not.

[Paradox]

Originally Posted by Windguy

Thank the ocean as to why we are not at a 1.5C increase already, and with that the predicted disasters. Unless we remove CO2 now, it's only time to that temp increase even if everyone got a pushbike and our houses ran on solar energy.

What is worse is that 1.5 can pass some tipping points that could drive the temperature further north with some predictions up to 6C. Then there is the other possibility of snap freezing Europe into a deep ice age because of the slow down of the thermohaline current.

Hi Windguy,

You are putting forth a great deal of conjecture. Predicted disasters with 1.5 C increase... tipping points... a snap to freezing (ironically). People continue talking out of both sides of their mouth with this issue. Why? Our environment has heated and cooled with dramatic swings throughout history. What people fail to realize is that we are not and cannot be the thermostat for planet Earth. It's a ridiculous notion...yet we barrel down this road unfettered with common-sense absent.

Our greatest folly is allowing perception to drive discovery. Humans get into a tunnel-vision when it comes to beliefs...we often do so to our own detriment. You could have 1000 papers, 10000 papers or 100000 papers and the fundamentals of the system we are attempting to understand would not change. Common sense would still dictate we remain skeptical. It amazes me to watch the human experience related to Global Warming, our faults outweigh our attributes ad infinitum. We don't have the answer. It is that simple.

One concept that eludes our most respected academics, the media and the sheeple, is the notion to just agree to figure this out. We are really a pathetic race if what we are doing is considered the best we can do. Money, politics and ego should not define and guide our mechanism for exploration. We are failing to provide an answer to a question that could (and I profess, will) change the lives of all of mankind. We could and should be doing more but are instead propping up some theory that has long been defunct. Why would we do that? It makes no sense...

We need to THINK, and ACT accordingly.

[spot1234]

Originally Posted by Paradox

There are actually many underwater Caldera's throughout the world (massive ones in the arctic) and many believe their contributions to water temperature to be grossly underestimated. It's an area we need more information about. Is that observation batshit, insane and moronic? You represent yourself poorly Spot1234...a credit to your beliefs, you are not.

Why not call a spade a spade. If you don't like being ridiculed don't say ridiculous things. Its not a question of believe, I know with absolute certainty that the loss in arctic and antarctic ice is not due to massive calderas.

[The Bulvater]

Originally Posted by Windguy

Well Australia don't need no stinkin sunspots to have one hot spring just before a stinker of a summer to come. 35 degrees celcius already where I live!!

Aussies 'bored' with climate change | The Australian

Looks like the Aussies are bored with climate change and more concerned with more important environmental issues that are being ignored

[Windguy]

Originally Posted by The Bulvater

Aussies 'bored' with climate change | The Australian

Looks like the Aussies are bored with climate change and more concerned with more important environmental issues that are being ignored

I hate to say this, but I am going to have to. A study has shown only 30% of the worlds population are actually capable of making slightly complex decisions and are also capable of understanding the usual forms given to us.

Climate change is an easy subject, but it needs time for people to truly understand. That's where the denialists are trying to influence the masses who can't really make up their mind. They have to see these hot days before they go yep, they (scientists) must be right. That questionaire was done in the middle of winter.

If you can fill in your own tax return, then you should know better than the masses.

[Paradox]

Originally Posted by The Bulvater

Aussies 'bored' with climate change | The Australian

Looks like the Aussies are bored with climate change and more concerned with more important environmental issues that are being ignored

Interesting, not one mention of 'Global Warming' in the entire article. Is there a 'Climate Change' theory I haven't heard about?

[Paradox]

Originally Posted by spot1234

Why not call a spade a spade. If you don't like being ridiculed don't say ridiculous things. Its not a question of believe, I know with absolute certainty that the loss in arctic and antarctic ice is not due to massive calderas.

Hi Spot1234,

Coming from you, it doesn't feel like ridicule.

The likelihood of finding volcanoes and life-sustaining vents was so low that the 30-member team that put to sea in the summer of 2001 on the two ships included just one vent specialist, said that expert, Dr. Henrietta N. Edmonds, a geochemist from the University of Texas.

''I was brought along as a funky add-on,'' she said. ''They were saying, 'Man, she's going to be bored for a couple of months.' ''

That was before the results started pouring in from her instruments, which were attached to cables as they lowered rock-sampling dredges and checked for rising temperatures and turbidity -- hints of any upstream plume of mineral-rich, volcanically heated water gushing from the seabed into the frigid sea.

The researchers said they were shocked when more than 80 percent of the instrument deployments detected such emissions over the 600-mile portion of the ridge that was surveyed. ''We were expecting it to be practically dead,'' said Dr. Peter J. Michael, the lead author of one of the new Nature papers and a geologist at the University of Tulsa. ''Instead we got so many readings that we thought the equipment was not working right.'

Under the Arctic Ice, a Seabed Yields Some Fiery Secrets



What’s Up With Volcanoes Under Arctic Sea Ice

...However, heat store in the Atlantic Layer (temperature maxima at ~300 m) and in waters of Pacific origin (maxima at ~50 m depth in the western Arctic) are prime candidates for releasing heat to the underside of the Arctic ice.

[The Bulvater]

Originally Posted by Windguy

I hate to say this, but I am going to have to. A study has shown only 30% of the worlds population are actually capable of making slightly complex decisions and are also capable of understanding the usual forms given to us.

Climate change is an easy subject, but it needs time for people to truly understand. That's where the denialists are trying to influence the masses who can't really make up their mind. They have to see these hot days before they go yep, they (scientists) must be right. That questionaire was done in the middle of winter.

If you can fill in your own tax return, then you should know better than the masses.

Well, denialists won't need to influence the masses when it comes to Australia. Looks like your PM has employed a CFR member to look after selling this climate pig (carbon credit, carbon tax, global warming, climate change) to the general public, but no matter what colour the lipstick, you Aussies are a cynical bunch and will have no problem in telling this asshole to f**k off and voting his ass out of office . After all John Howard your former PM lost both his own seat in the election (Benalong) and the federal party in office, a first.

[Apologies for diverting off topic, but] you've also got a PM who is trying to
1 destroy your sovereignty by merging with Asia
2 running up national debt with unfounded and mostly likely underfunded projects where the money will go to the unions cronies

Things are no better in the UK, and much much worse in the US.
[not meant to be an attack on Australians...I love Australia !]

[ThankyouMoneypenny]

Originally Posted by spot1234

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!


I can't beleive anyone wastes their time arguing with you when you come out with batshit insane statements like that.


Moron.

Well, I guess I can rest my case on the Groupthink theory symptom 2: ('Stereotyping those who are opposed to the group as weak, evil, disfigured, impotent, or stupid.') quoted in my earlier post of 06 Oct 08 at 06:19pm!

So you think the only way ice can be melted is via the atmosphere? You don't reckon there can be ANY melting from below? So when an iceberg drifts away from either pole does it eventually melt due to:

a. An excessive amount of CO2 in the atmosphere?
b. A greater inclination of the sun's rays?
c. Drifting into an area of warmer air?
d. Drifting into a warmer sea?

Rather than dismiss your theory, I would prefer to believe that it is more likely to be a combination - probably b, c and d. But that thought process is at least one difference between you and me.

As for the name calling: yeah, good effort but I'm sure you could think of something a bit more offensive than 'moron', couldn't you?

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Oh, ps, I believe the correct spelling of the word is 'believe', not 'beleive'. You know, i before e etc, but what does a moron know?