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Originally Posted by spot1234

Have you watched the movie 'Sunshine'? its plot and your world view seem similar.

Anyway thanks for the advice but I think the simple fact that we hardly see any snow these days shows to me at least that your wrong and I will leave the snowshoes on the shelf for now.

Are you aware that during Dansgaard-Oeschger (DO) events the Arctic warms while Antarctica cools. Then everything cools for a few hundred years. The problem with thinking we have the answer in C02 is that to make it really sound important one must almost ignore that Earth has heated fast, cooled fast, heated slowly, cooled slowly, heated regionally while cooling, cooled regionally while warming etc. etc. etc. throughout time. In other words (regardless of the cause) what we are experiencing is nothing new. EXCEPT, if C02 caused by man is propelling us inadvertently and recklessly into a heretofore never realized level of chaos and plunder which will wipe out civilization. This is pretty much the mantra, right?

Many of you know I have been intrigued by the Mayan Long-Count calendar for a long time. My interest is derived from parallels related to the time-lines that coincide with incredible shift in climate and major impacts on civilizations as a result. Let me elaborate.

The Long-Count Calendar spans 5125 years and ends its next cycle December 20th, 2012. I am not expecting the end of the world BUT something either cosmic or solar may be affiliated with this ending of the 5th sun and beginning of the 6th (as the Mayans refer to this event).

One of the first things I do to research these things is to go back in time and see if anything happened 5125 years ago. In this case I was hoping for no 'parallels' but was introduced to this:

MAJOR CLIMATE CHANGE OCCURRED 5,200 YEARS AGO: EVIDENCE SUGGESTS THAT HISTORY COULD REPEAT ITSELF

ICE CORES MAY YIELD CLUES TO 5,000-YEAR-OLD MYSTERY

(read this in it's entirety)
Serendipitous Science: An Unexpected Discovery

So anyway, while this (correlation to the Mayan calendar) is way outside any respectable scientific endeavors I was intrigued enough to put more thought into it.

If you look at religions, you will see that most were formed around 4,000-4,500 years ago which implies that something shook things up just prior to that time...and we know organized societies predated this time by thousands or tens-of-thousands of years depending on your interpretation of current research.

So the question I ask myself is whether or not there is a connection. I think enough circumstantial and direct evidence exists to at least keep an open mind.

4.2 kiloyear event

Origin of Religion - Ancient Foundations

Are we on the verge of another 'event'? I am afraid so...but I sure as hell hope not.

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In 2005, a pair of astronomers from the National Solar Observatory (NSO) in Tucson attempted to publish a paper in the journal Science. The pair looked at minute spectroscopic and magnetic changes in the sun. By extrapolating forward, they reached the startling result that, within 10 years, sunspots would vanish entirely. At the time, the sun was very active. Most of their peers laughed at what they considered an unsubstantiated conclusion.

The journal ultimately rejected the paper as being too controversial.

Their peers laughed and rejected the paper... go figure.

Sun Makes History: First Spotless Month in a Century

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(global warmers position)

What if the sun did go through another Maunder Minimum?

However unlikely and difficult to predict, imagine for the sake of argument that the sun does go through another Maunder Minimum over the next century. What effect would this have on Earth's climate? The difference in solar radiative forcing between Maunder Minimum levels and current solar activity is estimated between 0.17 W/m2 (Wang 2005) to 0.23 W/m2 (Krivova 2007).

In contrast, the radiative forcing of CO2 since pre-industrial times is 1.66 W/m2 (IPCC AR4), far outstripping solar influence. And that's not including the extra CO2 to be added to the atmosphere in upcoming decades. In other words, the warming from CO2 dwarves any potential cooling even if the sun was to return to Maunder Minimum levels.

For those of you who believe this, I have some beachfront prime real-estate in Arizona available at fire-sale prices.

We're heading into a new Little Ice Age

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The Sunspot Enigma: The Sun is “Dead”—What Does it Mean for Earth?

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Who are you trying to convince? The sun still shines and will do for billions of years into the future. The Mayans did not exist 5000 years ago even the oldest artifacts of the oldest civilization in that area, the Olmecs aren't that old. For me this takes away credibility from anything else you say.

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Originally Posted by spot1234

Who are you trying to convince? The sun still shines and will do for billions of years into the future. The Mayans did not exist 5000 years ago even the oldest artifacts of the oldest civilization in that area, the Olmecs aren't that old. For me this takes away credibility from anything else you say.

I didn't say Mayans existed 5000 years ago Turbo.

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If they didn't exist how do they know what happened, or more importantly how do you know any record that has survived and translated into the form you found it is in fact an accurate record of events as they transpired in the Mesoamerican archaic period?

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Originally Posted by spot1234

If they didn't exist how do they know what happened, or more importantly how do you know any record that has survived and translated into the form you found it is in fact an accurate record of events as they transpired in the Mesoamerican archaic period?

The most notable contributions from the Mayans came from their understanding of mathematics and astronomical systems - which we utilize in our calendars to this day. Their comprehensive written language, art and architecture were also very advanced for that time. In order to understand different cycles from the past one does not need to be present at that time. With mathematics and observation they identified many cycles, the long-count-calendar being one of them which intrigues me. Whether or not you think what I am saying is credible matters not. Your last couple of posts strike me as being written without reading the subject matter I have provided in my last few posts.

Don't confuse the Mesoamerican period with my point that the long-count-calendar may actually have some relevance moving forward. Summer turns to Fall then Winter then Spring... maybe our concept of Seasons is about to be expanded on.

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Geomagnetic field: when will compass fail?

New Virtual Telescope Zooms In On Milky Way's Super-massive Black Hole

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Originally Posted by Paradox

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Don't confuse the Mesoamerican period with my point that the long-count-calendar may actually have some relevance moving forward. Summer turns to Fall then Winter then Spring... maybe our concept of Seasons is about to be expanded on.

How exactly did they know what is going to happen in the far future the significance of the long count calender is religious. just as our calender is.