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11th-July-2008, 07:59 AM
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14th-July-2008, 02:44 AM
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What's Wrong with the Sun? (Nothing)
So in three more months (if conditions persist) we will have passed a threshold. I think this article has a 'fluff' factor. They imply Solar Cycle 24 has begun, the real story is the behavior of the Sun and how a 'false-start' to solar cycle 24 seems to be what occurred...especially considering its current state. I think it is well within reason to scrutinize what is going on with the sun right now. A great deal of research has been done which substantiates weak solar activity well into the future.
New cycle of solar activity
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My money is on a continued retreat of solar activity. My reasoning for believing this is the 5200 year event Lonnie Thompson has documented. IMO, it has returned...and right on schedule.
As with anything related to this topic, time will tell.
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16th-July-2008, 03:44 AM
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18th-July-2008, 07:45 AM
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20th-July-2008, 10:06 AM
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Claims are floating around the blogosphere that the American Physical Society, the leading professional organization for physicists, has reversed its position on global warming. But on its website, the APS has reaffirmed that it supports the consensus view that human-caused greenhouse gas emissions are warming the planet.
Rumor Debunked: Physicists Did Not Flip-Flop on Global Warming | LiveScience
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20th-July-2008, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by kepler
Claims are floating around the blogosphere that the American Physical Society, the leading professional organization for physicists, has reversed its position on global warming. But on its website, the APS has reaffirmed that it supports the consensus view that human-caused greenhouse gas emissions are warming the planet.
Rumor Debunked: Physicists Did Not Flip-Flop on Global Warming | LiveScience
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Fair enough, but the APS statement is more of a political comment than a scientific one. What can't be denied is that some 'very clever physicists' managed to pick the workings of the climate change models apart, revealing significant flaws.
If the likes of Gore lead us to a world carbon tax based on dodgy predictive modelling, then they would have creamed us all off with yet another tax scam with no real environmental gain.
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21st-July-2008, 02:09 AM
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21st-July-2008, 04:29 AM
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What does Zimbabwe have to do with climate change? Just because some moron dictator gives a bunch of lackey friends all of the arable land to let it go fallow does not mean that the climate is changing.
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22nd-July-2008, 04:34 AM
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What does Zimbabwe have to do with climate change? Just because some moron dictator gives a bunch of lackey friends all of the arable land to let it go fallow does not mean that the climate is changing.
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The story sheds light on a growing epidemic, crop failure and famine. Climate change will become a major factor if the Sun continues its rare level of inactivity and the Earth continues cooling as a result. Warming results in increased crop yield due to longer growing seasons and more land to cultivate...cooling has the opposite effect. There is one thing constant throughout history -- the climate is always changing.
Famine Early Warning System Can Predict Food Shortages
UN says global food aid deliveries reach lowest level in almost 50 years
We're going to hear much more about this in the future...
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22nd-July-2008, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Paradox
The story sheds light on a growing epidemic, crop failure and famine. Climate change will become a major factor if the Sun continues its rare level of inactivity and the Earth continues cooling as a result. Warming results in increased crop yield due to longer growing seasons and more land to cultivate...cooling has the opposite effect. There is one thing constant throughout history -- the climate is always changing.
We're going to hear much more about this in the future...
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Fair enough, but I wouldn't use Zimbabwe as a sign of crop failure due to climatic cooling - unless you're looking to discredit yourself. If you want to isolate climate as the cause of crop failure, then you ought to stick to places where farming techniques have been stable over tens of years (i.e., first-world countries). In these areas, a crop failure would more likely be due to a change in climate (or a freak storm) rather than politics or poor farming practices. That being said, how would you define the dust bowl today? Would another dust bowl be strong evidence for climate change? I'm not sure about that. Perhaps you should think of a better predictor than crop yield.
Also, increasing CO2 levels tend to increase crop yield. So if the climate is cooliing then the reduction in yield do to cooling would probably be offset by the increase in yield due to CO2.
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