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Paradox · #**2341** (**permalink**) 2nd-March-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by spot1234

i am not disputing that the sun has an effect on climate what I am disputing is the assertion that it is the main driver for the warming we are currently seeing. You have no doubt have had this argument on numerous occasions And their is no reason for me to explain the science of why I believe this,

I can respect that. Being somewhat in the minority I hope you understand my interest in exploring this. You are correct, I am absolutely convinced that global warming is overblown (not completely without merit). It would take proof (not simulations) to convince me otherwise...especially considering 'observation' has once again delivered a crippling blow to GW theory. If or when the sun kicks back on and warming commences it will be yet another hurdle.

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Of course as it is becoming clear we have seen unusually cold weather in different parts of the globe; not all of them however we in the UK have had a very mild winter this year. Also we are in an El-Nina year, this El-Nina is havering more effect then previous recorded El-Ninas This says to me that their is more energy in the climate system then previously and when the El-Nino cycle returns we should normal service resumed. And as you and me get old we will see global temperatures rising over the decades as predicted by people who's job it is to predict these things.

Regional anomalies are one thing, and in your case probably tied to the THC. The fact that 4 of the primary temperature reading entities used by science have verified an extreme Global cooling trend does not support your position. Neither does current trends. This rather ambitious La Nina may be a result of the unprecedented drop in solar activity, and not a mere excuse for what appears (on the surface) to be a major energy deficit. You do have points which push out any conclusion to this matter but, very soon, we will know with more conviction whether or not the GW theory holds up. This is a perfect test and may end up being the evidence you need. I doubt it but I am hopeful for a conclusion to this drain of human GDP nonetheless.

Let's wait and see... you can be sure I will keep you posted.

Cheers.

~Paradox

spot1234 · #**2342** (**permalink**) 2nd-March-2008, 01:45 PM

I suppose the argument now goes into what is a trend and what is a blip.

And I see you think that channeling money into stopping climate change would be a waste of cash. Leaving aside the technical arguments what we have is a risk management situation, If you have a load of experts telling you something and a few experts telling you something else any sane government would make a decision and what costs less cash now would not necessary be the right one.

If what The IPCC NOHA The Royal Society and the rest of them is true then we will have to deal with the consequences of climate change and those consequences won't be cheap.

Even if they are wrong, fossil fuels are a finite resource and we have to wean ourself's off them anyway.

Paradox · #**2343** (**permalink**) 5th-March-2008, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by spot1234

I suppose the argument now goes into what is a trend and what is a blip.

And I see you think that channeling money into stopping climate change would be a waste of cash. Leaving aside the technical arguments what we have is a risk management situation, If you have a load of experts telling you something and a few experts telling you something else any sane government would make a decision and what costs less cash now would not necessary be the right one.

If what The IPCC NOHA The Royal Society and the rest of them is true then we will have to deal with the consequences of climate change and those consequences won't be cheap.

Even if they are wrong, fossil fuels are a finite resource and we have to wean ourself's off them anyway.

I don't really think what is happening is a 'blip' but if it minimizes the issue with you I will concede.

In my opinion we are on the edge of an event which no entity will be able to explain. Nothing you can say wll change my theory.

We are in a waiting motion...all of us.

~Paradox

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spot1234 · #**2344** (**permalink**) 5th-March-2008, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Paradox

I don't really think what is happening is a 'blip' but if it minimizes the issue with you I will concede.

In my opinion we are on the edge of an event which no entity will be able to explain. Nothing you can say wll change my theory.

We are in a waiting motion...all of us.

~Paradox

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Well your right If in ten years we still see a cooling trend despite CO2 levels increasing a lot of people will have a lot of thinking to do and I will look an idiot.

As a matter of interest if it doesn't get cooler and we see more heatwaves, droughts and floods. plus an increased rate of polar Ice melt what will you say in ten years time?

Paradox · #**2345** (**permalink**) 6th-March-2008, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by spot1234

Well your right If in ten years we still see a cooling trend despite CO2 levels increasing a lot of people will have a lot of thinking to do and I will look an idiot.

As a matter of interest if it doesn't get cooler and we see more heatwaves, droughts and floods. plus an increased rate of polar Ice melt what will you say in ten years time?

Hi Spot,

No, you won't look like an idiot because there are too many people that believe what you believe. In ten years time I would be surprised if we are not gripped by an unexpected and unwelcome cooling catastrophe but, if I am wrong, I will admit it and if C02 forcings have risen above natural variability and are clear I will embrace the movement 'again'.

My point is that the trend for cold looks to be expanding and has already begun to reek havoc in many nations. This trend is not a good one, nor is AGW but at least with warming we are...warm, and things grow.

After being unconvinced by the science behind AGW I looked elsewhere and have been much more satisfied with what I have learned. Does this mean I am right? No, of course not. The current trends do support my research though and bring rise to an even more alarming potentiality. I would be less fatalistic if the number of historic events were not so compelling. In my opinion, something major is brewing and exactly what this means remains somewhat of a mystery...but AGWer or skeptic, our lives are going to be altered forever real soon.

That is my prediction.

Unfortunately.

I hope I am wrong.

Very much.

~Paradox

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