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[Paradox]

Snow delays new semester for 1,300 Chinese schools

[Windguy]

Originally Posted by Paradox

Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling

Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age

Global Warming? New Data Shows Ice Is Back

You can't party just yet Paradox, the global cooling is just an extended la nina caused by the excessive melting of the arctic. It may give us a couple of years of respite until el nino rears it's ugly head again.

[Paradox]

Originally Posted by Windguy

You can't party just yet Paradox, the global cooling is just an extended la nina caused by the excessive melting of the arctic. It may give us a couple of years of respite until el nino rears it's ugly head again.

Give me a break Windguy. The sun is inactive amigo...and the global temperature has dropped so far, so fast that there is no comparison. All so-called global warming for the last century has been reversed in one year. You attribute this to La Nina and want ME to buy it? Try again. Pray for the sun to reignite (it's not going to), aside from that, consider venturing towards the light.

~Paradox

[Windguy]

I am not trying to conince you since your minds made up, years ago by the maians. All I am saying is for everyone out there the denialists are partying over nothing and in 2010 are you going to party like it's 2008 when temperatures skyrocket???

Why I am right and you are wrong as this summer was far cooler than usual, I don't think it hit 40 yet. But these cool 23 degree days are not giving us cool jumper wearing nights yet. So the last hundred years of energy increase is still here in the ocean, since there is a twenty to fifty year delay in the warming. Now la nina is creating clouds which increases the albedo effect. It ain't over just a basic respite before the warming starts again, and don't worry it will start at the 0.7 increase instead of the "whole lot being wiped out in one year scenario". Sorry nobody can predict future sun climate, otherwise they would hold a Nobel Peace prize. You've been watching too many movies.

[ty2296]

Im new to this forum but something very intresting threads already

[Paradox]

Originally Posted by Windguy

I am not trying to conince you since your minds made up, years ago by the maians. All I am saying is for everyone out there the denialists are partying over nothing and in 2010 are you going to party like it's 2008 when temperatures skyrocket???

Hmmm. I guess we will see, and soon.

Why I am right and you are wrong as this summer was far cooler than usual, I don't think it hit 40 yet. But these cool 23 degree days are not giving us cool jumper wearing nights yet. So the last hundred years of energy increase is still here in the ocean, since there is a twenty to fifty year delay in the warming. Now la nina is creating clouds which increases the albedo effect.

First, the increase being 'wiped out' in one year is rather significant. Secondly, the waining of the Suns magnetic field is to blame for increased cloud cover via an increase in cosmic rays, no 'la nina'. These are basics. No? Do we really have to wait for the CLOUD experiment to embrace common sense observation?

It ain't over just a basic respite before the warming starts again, and don't worry it will start at the 0.7 increase instead of the "whole lot being wiped out in one year scenario". Sorry nobody can predict future sun climate, otherwise they would hold a Nobel Peace prize. You've been watching too many movies.

Keep your fingers crossed chief. Warming would be a reprieve from the reality that mother nature has in store for us. Irony aside, gloomy cold is the rule, not the exception.

Peace.

~Paradox

[Paradox]

First sunspot in weeks is still related to solar cycle 23


I'd click on the home button after reviewing this article. This blog has it's finger on the pulse of climate change.

~Paradox

[spot1234]

Originally Posted by Paradox

First, the increase being 'wiped out' in one year is rather significant. Secondly, the waining of the Suns magnetic field is to blame for increased cloud cover via an increase in cosmic rays, no 'la nina'. These are basics. No? Do we really have to wait for the CLOUD experiment to embrace common sense observation

Thats not a common sense observation, that statement is based on highly controversial and speculative research on the fringe of the field of solar physics, you can choose to believe it but that doesn't make it true and I wouldn't bet the house on the weather turning cooler over the next decades, in fact it probably will get warmer because there is another factor forcing climate stronger then solar forcing.

[Paradox]

Originally Posted by spot1234

Thats not a common sense observation, that statement is based on highly controversial and speculative research on the fringe of the field of solar physics, you can choose to believe it but that doesn't make it true and I wouldn't bet the house on the weather turning cooler over the next decades, in fact it probably will get warmer because there is another factor forcing climate stronger then solar forcing.

Hi Spot,

First, is the fact that our Sun is on hiatus 'controversial'? The prediction was for solar cycle 24 to be 50% larger than 23. The problem with quantifying this is THAT SOLAR CYCLE 24 HAS TO START FIRST. We had a false start in July 2006 (about the time it should have begun) and another false start in Jan 2008. The weak sunspots that faintly exist are still characteristic of cycle 23 sunspots. Since I 'believe' this indicates no cycle 24, I guess, technically, this does not make it true. You got me there. As for the 'CLOUD' experiment, it will simply add 'further' quantification of currently 'published' experiments that prove GCR's create clouds.

For the sake of saving time I will quote a piece of another post I made on this subject:

Climate Skeptics Seize on Cold Spell

I am probably viewed as a skeptic here, and in a way I guess this would be accurate. What differentiates me from the skeptics is that my view is along the lines of a 'Lovelock' AGWing event except for my scenario relates to global cooling and not runaway global warming. I see a globe vying to feed their citizens while facing the challenges presented when you are being evicted by glaciers.

We have a waining Sun. Check. We have a weakened magnetic field as a result and increased cosmic rays. Check. We have historic evidence of a trend (DO Events, Lonnie Thompsons 5200 year event, Mayan Prophesy-Long-Count Calendar). Check. We have current quantifiable, harsh and rapid cooling. Check. We have a ENSO (La Nina) event that is aggressive and growing stronger as I write this. Conservative estimates even leave it open ended after 2008, other estimates predict it could last decades. Check. Less energy being absorbed by the sun and reduced albedo. Check. Global impacts... China, Africa, Europe, America and so on and so on. Check.

Help me out here, I know I quote a biased source here and there but 'enlighten me'.

LA NINA DATA

So, enlighten me. I'm all ears. The only global warming on the horizon will be us collectively rubbing our hands together to stave off the chills.

~Paradox

[spot1234]

i am not disputing that the sun has an effect on climate what I am disputing is the assertion that it is the main driver for the warming we are currently seeing. You have no doubt have had this argument on numerous occasions And their is no reason for me to explain the science of why I believe this,

Of course as it is becoming clear we have seen unusually cold weather in different parts of the globe; not all of them however we in the UK have had a very mild winter this year. Also we are in an El-Nina year, this El-Nina is havering more effect then previous recorded El-Ninas This says to me that their is more energy in the climate system then previously and when the El-Nino cycle returns we should normal service resumed. And as you and me get old we will see global temperatures rising over the decades as predicted by people who's job it is to predict these things.