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[Paradox]

Originally Posted by Simple

Maybe strive for no GHG emissions and try to follow practices that lock up CO2 from the atmosphere? (e.g. Organic gardenin glocks up CO2 in the soil as the humus is built up).

Hi Simple,

The third link you posted was my favorite. I especially like the reference of the experiment done in the 1600's that ultimately demonstrated the bulk of matter in a plants growth is derived from the air instead of water and soil. I'd heard reference to it before but never read the actual history.

I often wonder why we don't mount a more concerted effort to thwart C02 by planting millions or billions of fast-growing trees. It would be a way to mount a global effort to combat climate change. One that may have an impact if people get behind it. The shift towards organic farming is a grand idea except for the decrease in yields. I think more people must begin to plant their own gardens anyway. Between climate change, peak oil and a worldwide economic decline the trend towards self-sufficiency should grow. -hint-

~Paradox

[the nature scene]

If we accept that climate change is one of the biggest threats to humanity that exists today, shouldn't we also address the threats to our ability to act accordingly?
Climate change is not homogeneous -- results will not be the same across the globe. This makes the issue of climate change, and the knowledge required to deal with it, time and place specific. No international body can adequately deal with such a magnitude of issues. A decentralized effort will be necessary for any hope of adapting or even mitigating climate change.
Legal institutions will need to be coordinated so that people around the world will be able to grow wealthier and healthier so that the resource of human ingenuity can truly be harnessed. Governments should strive to create environments that are conducive to entreprenuial innovation. These things are necessary to develop an adequate response to climate change.

[Paradox]

Originally Posted by the nature scene

Governments should strive to create environments that are conducive to entreprenuial innovation. These things are necessary to develop an adequate response to climate change.

If these govenments are fighting their neighbors for water or agricultural resources or spending their wealth constantly repairing climate related losses the process of economic advancement will be thwarted. Sad but true. Billions of people stand to be impacted...to what degree is anyones guess. The key is to spend the wealth while we have it...first, on understanding this phenomenon and then on preparing for its wrath.


~Paradox

[the nature scene]

I suggest you look into the approach that the Western US took when dealing with a water crisis. The situation never has to get to the point where "Governments fight over water resources." You shouldn't take things like that as given.

[Paradox]

Originally Posted by the nature scene

I suggest you look into the approach that the Western US took when dealing with a water crisis. The situation never has to get to the point where "Governments fight over water resources." You shouldn't take things like that as given.

TNS,

True, but when it comes down to it water is just another resource. Like oil.

But don't take my word for it:

An Abrupt Climate Change Scenario and Its Implications for National Security

[Simple]

Legal institutions will need to be coordinated so that people around the world will be able to grow wealthier and healthier so that the resource of human ingenuity can truly be harnessed. Governments should strive to create environments that are conducive to entreprenuial innovation. These things are necessary to develop an adequate response to climate change.

The problem is NS that entrepenuial innovation leads to greed always! and that leads to what we have now again overexploitation and disreguard for the planet in the name of profit.

We need to step forward with a new realisation that living basically and in communities that help and support each other and the environment arround them is the most important thing at present and not individual wealth and prestige. The planet is in a state and only by a massive effort together will appropriate changes take place.

We may all have to give up cars and airflights and many other things unless you feel these are more important than whats happening as it starts to create massive human suffering in its wake.

This is somthing everyone has got to do together by self sacrifice, hard work and working together.

Thing is working together in the premise of no self gain is actually really good fun.

Simple

[Simple]

The shift towards organic farming is a grand idea except for the decrease in yields. I think more people must begin to plant their own gardens anyway.

Hi paradox,

The drop in yeilds isn't that dramatic even at first, and once the soil is enriched yeilds pick up again, and further as pesticides etc are reduced the natural predator pest feedback systems are re-established and yields again increase. In Indonesia where rice yields had dropped drastically due to the over use of pesticides rice yields increased again when pesticides were banned by about 10-20%. Overtime yeilds with pesticide usage drop this has been proven time and time again yet they are still used abundantly.

I totally agree I feel everyone with a garden should grow food in it. Follow natures systems which basically means forest gardens which massively increase biodiversity and thats what we need most.

Permaculture techniques are well proven to do this and have been successfully used to convert desert areas into cultivation. Permaculture isn't just a gardening technique it is environmental management using the principles laid out in nature to provide fertile productive land whilst having the least impact on that land and certainly using no chemicals to enhance.

Working in harmony with nature allowing nature's abundant ability to provide excess fertility to shine through. An added bonus is that as the soil, flora and fauna enrich within the environemnt produced CO2 is taken out of the atmosphere. Win win situation.

Everyone needs to start doing their bit and now, the time for progastination is over.

Simple

[August]

Originally Posted by the nature scene

So let's accept it's the sun.

Yeah, let's do that. So we won't have to change our ways in any way at all, but keep on polluting the atmosphere as much as we need to do in order to preserving our present way of life. As a matter of fact: let's urge the Africans, the Latin Americans, the Asians, et.al. to speed up their own emission rates, so that we'll all become equals here, eventually: everyone on the planet polluting as much as we've grown so fond of doing in the very developed ("civilised") world. - - Good for us. Good for everyone. - Easy living.

[the nature scene]

Excuse me, but clipping one sentence from my response is a gross mispreresentation of what I wrote. That sentence was not a command nor a suggestion. If you look read closely you will see that I was arguing that the crux of the matter is not what is causing the warming. Spending all the time placing the blame distracts us from being able to deal with it.

[Paradox]

Originally Posted by the nature scene

Spending all the time placing the blame distracts us from being able to deal with it.

We've got to break free of the complacency. It goes far beyond the component of he-said-she-said you mentioned. Taken as a whole many would conclude we are in the threat already. I, of course, would agree. Some need something more apocalyptic to happen before conceding that we have a MAJOR problem brewing. We need to reach these people before the evidence they seek arrives...which it will in due time. At that point our ability to mount a defensive effort will be diminished by the demand for immediate relief...at least in theory.

The reason I err on the side of caution or alarm is because the evidence supports this position. Hopefully concern will continue to grow and our understanding and response with it.


~Paradox