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[Paradox]

Originally Posted by Bored Wombat

There are seven other planets.

Mercury is not warming
Venus is not warming
Earth is warming, but it is clear from the time and place that the warming is occurring that it is due to the greenhouse effect.
Mars is warming and this is believed to be because of albedo change.
Jupiter's climate is changing, but this is not a warming. It is a cooling at the pole and a warming at the equator.
Saturn is warming at one pole only, and this could be regional climate change much like Jupiter.
Neptune's reflectivity is changing ... not its climate.

But to say "the other planets are warming" you really need all of them to be. That is very far from the case isn't it?

It's ok B.W., we are not those ignorant judgmental GW religion fanatics here. You can speak your mind without the threat of extrication. Trust me, it is 'Ok' that the other planets are warming. As a matter of fact, in intellectual circles, if you were to challenge such a clear fact, you would be ridiculed as a moron.

I can sense your interest in renouncing the dark side...my suggestion is to just do it. Get it over with now and have something noble to reference in the future. At this point you are a pawn in a massive scheme to mislead the public. Why do you embrace this religion?

~Paradox

[Paradox]

Originally Posted by Bored Wombat

The sun affects temperature more in the day time. The greenhouse effect more at night. Warming is happening mostly at night. Ergo it is not the sun, and it might be the greenhouse effect.

The suns energy drives everything. The fossil fuel we burn is stored energy from the sun. Warming at night is caused by the nightly release of latent energy stored in our crust. This one is a no brainer and I wonder why you are actually defending this position as something intuitive. GLOBAL WARMING THEORY IS REFUTED. Get over it. Pretend to the subjects but give us a break.

[Bored Wombat]

Originally Posted by Paradox

It's ok B.W., we are not those ignorant judgmental GW religion fanatics here. You can speak your mind without the threat of extrication. Trust me, it is 'Ok' that the other planets are warming. As a matter of fact, in intellectual circles, if you were to challenge such a clear fact, you would be ridiculed as a moron.

I can sense your interest in renouncing the dark side...my suggestion is to just do it. Get it over with now and have something noble to reference in the future. At this point you are a pawn in a massive scheme to mislead the public. Why do you embrace this religion?

~Paradox

And moreover if Neptune's reflectivity is increasing, that implies by conservation of energy, that it must be cooling, not warmig.

Earth's stratosphere has cooled, so it is emitting less energy into space, and this is causing the warming here.

Your attempt to describe Jupiter's climate change as "global waerming" in particular is very contrived. Did you not know that it is undergoing a change of net zero warming, or are you attempting to mislead on purpose?

[Bored Wombat]

Originally Posted by Paradox

Warming at night is caused by the nightly release of latent energy stored in our crust.

Why doesn't it release during the day too?

[Windguy]

Originally Posted by Paradox

The suns energy drives everything. The fossil fuel we burn is stored energy from the sun. Warming at night is caused by the nightly release of latent energy stored in our crust. This one is a no brainer and I wonder why you are actually defending this position as something intuitive. GLOBAL WARMING THEORY IS REFUTED. Get over it. Pretend to the subjects but give us a break.

The energy released by the fossil fuel doesn't match the energy that has heated up this planet. The ocean alone has heated up by 14.5*10^22 Joules since the 1950's. That about the same as a million times the worlds nuclear stockpile. It sounds really unbelievable but that's the researched figure. I'm very sure the latent heat energy from all of the fossil fuels burn't cannot match that. But we are both right when you will say the sun has done it. But mine and BW's belief, as per the scientific consensus is the CO2 and other GHG's are keeping that heat in longer and the ocean is absorbing it. When the ocean stops heating up further then we can say the planet is back in equilibrium. At the current position of 380ppm CO2 the equilibrium line is 1.4 degrees hotter, if you base it upon Stefan and Boltzmann's Law, and the observed Vostok ice core data.

I believe any business, even Exxon Mobil can make a tidy profit by being the first companies to clean up their acts. It's the stragglers who will end up being worse off. Consider climate change as part of your future and you will ensure your business thrives when the others fall.

I'm not saying to embrace it like a religious nut. Just consider it in your decision making in the corporate world. Expect the best but prepare for the worst. Nothing is fully refuted until the fat lady sings. So you can't expect other people to keep an open mind (or open their mind to other possibilities) without you yourself keeping an open mind.

I know you are predicting of a major change to the planet, but I'm not exactly sure of what it is. But how can we defend ourselves against what you believe will come to pass in the future if you are true?

[Paradox]

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[Bored Wombat]

Originally Posted by Paradox

The suns energy drives everything. The fossil fuel we burn is stored energy from the sun. Warming at night is caused by the nightly release of latent energy stored in our crust. This one is a no brainer and I wonder why you are actually defending this position as something intuitive. GLOBAL WARMING THEORY IS REFUTED. Get over it. Pretend to the subjects but give us a break.

So you think that the warming is happening mostly at night because the sun warms the crust, and the crust warms the night?

(And you think that this is a no brainer, and that global warming is refuted, and that that statement is stronger if you say it loudly.)

How does the sun warming the crust make it warming effect greater in the night than the day?

Surely the day would have the same warming from the crust as the night does? Plus the day would also have this whole sun thing as well.

[forfi]

"Scared to Death" Booker C. ,North R.

A scare is often set off — as we show in our book with other examples — when two things are observed together and scientists suggest one must have been caused by the other. In this case, thanks to readings commissioned by Dr Roger Revelle, a distinguished American oceanographer, it was observed that since the late 1950s levels of carbon dioxide in the earth's atmosphere had been rising. Perhaps it was this increase that was causing the new warming in the 1980s?

Stage two of the story began in 1988 when, with remarkable speed, the global warming story was elevated into a ruling orthodoxy, partly due to hearings in Washington chaired by a youngish senator, Al Gore, who had studied under Dr Revelle in the 1960s.

[forfi]

Another bit.

Not the least of his efforts was his bid to suppress an article co-authored by Dr Revelle just before his death. Gore didn't want it to be known that his guru had urged that the global warming thesis should be viewed with more caution.