------ THE SKY IS FALLING ------

[Skeptic]

Paradox,
Your quote about glaciers is just plain wrong. I don't dispute that warming since 1976 has been greater than any time in the previous 200 years (except for the 1910 to 1940 warming period). However, glaciers, ironically don't show it. A study of 151 glaciers showed linear rate of shrinkage from 1820 on average.

Simple.
I disagree with you on nuclear power. Total deaths from nuclear are less than 5000 including Chernobyl for the whole world, for the whole history of nuclear power, according to the IAEA. A single hydro-electric dam burst in India in the 1960's killed 10,000. Hydro-plants are extremely dangerous. Coal burning once killed hundreds of thousands per year from respiratory disease. Of the 'big four' methods of generating power, only gas burning has a better safety record than nuclear. New generation nuclear plants are designed to be even safer.

August.
Oil will continue to be used until it is too scarce to be economic. That is simply part of the existing trend. The bigger 'threat' is liquifaction of coal. That resource will not run out for 200 years, and nations around the world are gearing up to do this. It will take public pressure to push governments into hydrogen and biofuels, instead of coal.

[Paradox]

Originally Posted by Skeptic

Paradox,
Your quote about glaciers is just plain wrong. I don't dispute that warming since 1976 has been greater than any time in the previous 200 years (except for the 1910 to 1940 warming period). However, glaciers, ironically don't show it. A study of 151 glaciers showed linear rate of shrinkage from 1820 on average.

Skeptic,

You end each message with, "Science Not Dogma" yet you deal in assumption and probability when it supports your 'logic'. The quote was from a leading scientific authority. You should read the study I linked to with the quote. I simply wanted to point out that the argument for variability has little scientific evidence to support it. Please provide your evidence supporting the Earth being warmer than today in the last say--5119 years.

~Paradox

[Skeptic]

Paradox,
Here is a graph showing temperature changes as measured from Greenland ice cores. You will note that temperature changes have been greater in the past than recently.

http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=2743561

[Paradox]

Originally Posted by Skeptic

Paradox,
Here is a graph showing temperature changes as measured from Greenland ice cores. You will note that temperature changes have been greater in the past than recently. http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=2743561

Skeptic,

My point is that graphs such as the one you linked, while good in a generalized manner are not very helpful in relation to understanding minor (1-2 degrees C) global temperature fluctuation with any degree of accuracy. Consider the regional fluctuations we are now experiencing and the complexities of the past increases. It is no wonder that they have deemed much of past (400+ years) temperature estimates scientifically unreliable.

Off the subject: (or not)

Round and round and round she goes...where she stops nobody knows.


~Paradox

[Skeptic]

Paradox,
What you say is correct. However, it applies in a general sense also to the entire global warming situation. Getting really good hard data is a problem. That is a major reason why I am sceptical of many of the claims made about GW. However, the graph I showed does illustrate the degree of natural variability in the global climate. There is plenty of other data which shows essentially the same thing.

[Paradox]

Sea Surface Temperature Map

If this storm stays the course things are going to get ugly. The Gulf of Mexico may as well be filled with high octane rocket fuel.

This could be a nail biter.

~Paradox

[Simple]

Skeptic

Nuclear power is messing with the unknown, very expensive and open to attack.

Radiation mutates genes and even one gene mutation can could have long and totally unpredictable consequences over millenia.

Its playing with fire.

When we first started burning coal that seemed fine don't you think we should learn.

Act within nature don't mess with it because with have no real understanding of the complexities of nature.

P.S. The warming of the last 20years is beyond all known natural variance.

Paradox the 27C SST goes all the way to NY.

Simple

[August]

Originally Posted by Skeptic

Oil will continue to be used until it is too scarce to be economic. That is simply part of the existing trend. The bigger 'threat' is liquifaction of coal. That resource will not run out for 200 years, and nations around the world are gearing up to do this.

Why? - Because all members of government in this world are in denial? Or because they're under so much pressure from oil lobbyists? Or simply because they've all read and accepted Dan Brown's notion of the end of days from the best-selling novel "Da Vinci Code" ... if that's the case, we should all read 2 Timothy 3 ...

http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/2t.../2timothy3.htm

"But understand this: there will be terrifying times in the last days. People will be self-centered and lovers of money, proud, haughty, abusive, disobedient to their parents (here we go!), ungrateful, irreligious (hm?), callous, implacable, slanderous, licentious, brutal, hating what is good, traitors, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of (Mother Nature), as they make a pretense of (nature-friendliness) but deny its power. Reject them."

Some people (wealthy, powerful people, lawmakers and runners of armed forces) do as a matter of fact have the power to make the decision to give us this treat. - - Huhhhhhhhhh.

[Simple]

"But understand this: there will be terrifying times in the last days. People will be self-centered and lovers of money, proud, haughty, abusive, disobedient to their parents (here we go!), ungrateful, irreligious (hm?), callous, implacable, slanderous, licentious, brutal, hating what is good, traitors, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of (Mother Nature), as they make a pretense of (nature-friendliness) but deny its power. Reject them."

Some people (wealthy, powerful people, lawmakers and runners of armed forces) do as a matter of fact have the power to make the decision to give us this treat. - - Huhhhhhhhhh.

Sounds like the majority of natures users now to me and its not much of a treat.


Simple

[Paradox]

Trick or treat?

If it makes it, the date will be almost exact to Katrina's landfall in 2005. What a way to mark the first anniversary.