global warming kills more than terrorism

[Haanu]

The following facts may shed light on the statements of U.N. arms inspector Hans Blix, British science advisor Sir David King, and SA Premier Mike Rann.

Global Warming Kills Ten Times More Than Terrorism

Globally, terrorism kills a less than 10,000 people a year, but

Global warming kills 150,000 people/year - 2003
http://www.who.int/globalchange/publ...chhsummary/en/
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994223
http://www.enn.com/news/2003-10-01/s_8976.asp

. . . And Global Warming Death is Growing Faster than Terrorism

Double heat deaths by 2020 - 2000 http://www.climateark.org/articles/2...h/gwseendo.htm
(Dare we use the "E" word?)

[reality]

Nonsense. Weather events kill people. Climate does not. Since it is impossible to show a cause and effect relationship between climate change and individual weather events, you cannot make any claims about global warming killing people. All you can say is that increasing atmospheric GHG levels may be a contributing factor.

[tom]

Originally Posted by reality

Nonsense. Weather events kill people. Climate does not. Since it is impossible to show a cause and effect relationship between climate change and individual weather events, you cannot make any claims about global warming killing people. All you can say is that increasing atmospheric GHG levels may be a contributing factor.

How many folk get killed on US roads per year ?

Can make you wonder what all the fuss is about re 9/11 and US deaths in Iraq.

[Haanu]

How many folk get killed on US roads per year ?

I havn't been able to find out the exact figure but I believe its about 40,000 to 80,000 people die on US roads per year.

Can make you wonder what all the fuss is about re 9/11 and US deaths in Iraq.

Very true

[Haanu]

Originally Posted by reality

Nonsense. Weather events kill people. Climate does not. Since it is impossible to show a cause and effect relationship between climate change and individual weather events, you cannot make any claims about global warming killing people. All you can say is that increasing atmospheric GHG levels may be a contributing factor.

Did you even read the links dude? Have a look. It comes straight from the World Health Organisation!

[reality]

Originally Posted by Haanu

Did you even read the links dude? Have a look. It comes straight from the World Health Organisation!

. Sorry, Haanu, but I deal in facts, not in wild suppositions. Read the title of the thread. I'll say it again: weather kills people. Climate cannot since it is a statistical entity. Since it is impossible to show a cause and effect relationship between increased GHG levels and individual weather events, you cannot make any comments about how many people GW kills. All you can say is that it may be playing a role.

[Simon]

Originally Posted by reality

. Sorry, Haanu, but I deal in facts, not in wild suppositions. Read the title of the thread. I'll say it again: weather kills people. Climate cannot since it is a statistical entity. Since it is impossible to show a cause and effect relationship between increased GHG levels and individual weather events, you cannot make any comments about how many people GW kills. All you can say is that it may be playing a role.

Isn't that just a matter of semantics though?

[reality]

Originally Posted by Simon

Isn't that just a matter of semantics though?

No, I've stated facts, plain and simple

[debs]

Weather events kill people. Climate does not.

"Guns don't kill people. Bullets kill people." "HIV doesn't kill people. It just makes them susceptible to other dieseases", etc. This is the type of nonsense argument you make here.

Since it is impossible to show a cause and effect relationship between climate change and individual weather events, you cannot make any claims about global warming killing people. All you can say is that increasing atmospheric GHG levels may be a contributing factor.

While no individual death may with certainty be ascribed to climate change, a changing climate may cause extra deaths in a statistical sense. To what extent the evidence that climate change is responsible for the number described in Hannu's links is another question. It is so very hard to separated different causes in this kind of investigations.

[reality]

"Guns don't kill people. Bullets kill people." "HIV doesn't kill people. It just makes them susceptible to other dieseases", etc. This is the type of nonsense argument you make here.

Please prove to me the role that increased GHG levels played in Hurricane Charly last month and in Hurricane Frances a few days ago. Be sure to break down its role in detail. Several dozen people died in the two events. Please detail the role that GW played in their deaths.

Can't do it? Neither can I, nor can anyone else. All we can say is that perhaps it played a role. Given that we cannot quantify the role it played in these events, or any other weather event for that matter, we cannot make any specific statement about GW "Killing" people and we certainly cannot make any statement about it "killing 10X more people..."

It is this kind of strident post that muddies the waters without adding anything of value to the discussion. If we are willing to take one extreme to task for their, "the economy will collapse if we do anything..." arguments, we must be consistent and not overstate the other side of the issue.

While no individual death may with certainty be ascribed to climate change, a changing climate may cause extra deaths in a statistical sense. To what extent the evidence that climate change is responsible for the number described in Hannu's links is another question. It is so very hard to separated different causes in this kind of investigations.

We're arguing on the same side of the point. Look at what you said: "a changing climate MAY cause extra deaths...". Look at what I said, "All you can say is that increasing atmospheric GHG levels MAY be a contributing factor." Look at the title of this thread, "Global warming KILLS 10X more..." Huge difference. In the first two cases, we're acknowledging the potential role that increased GHG levels are having on weather and the downstream impact of that weather on mortality. In the latter, Hannu is claiming that that role has been quantified and definitive measurements have shown how many people have succumbed due to it. That is complete nonsense.