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Old 23rd-October-2005, 09:23 PM
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see? this is the problem. all of you know more about this subject than me and there is a wide spectrum of opinion even among just a handful of people.

so what is the general public supposed to think?
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Old 23rd-October-2005, 10:59 PM
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see? this is the problem. all of you know more about this subject than me and there is a wide spectrum of opinion even among just a handful of people. so what is the general public supposed to think?
I think you know more than you're letting on, Joe.

To answer your quesiton anyway, according to one member here, you're supposed to know nothing, and the science has to be translated into some kind of spiritual story so that you can understand it. I've always though of recycling as a ritual, as it happens.

The real truth is that environmentalism has very little regard for the wider public. People are the problem, it tells us. It doesn't care what what you think as long as it can tell you what to do.
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Old 23rd-October-2005, 11:10 PM
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see? this is the problem. all of you know more about this subject than me and there is a wide spectrum of opinion even among just a handful of people.

so what is the general public supposed to think?
The general public is just supposed to think, period. If more of them did this, we wouldn't have half so many problems.

If they can't get around to that, then seeing what the experts have to say is generally the best plan. Letting the most unbiased professional science types you can find do the thinking for you isn't a bad fall-back position. Bookmark something like realclimate.org, if you have any interest in keeping abreast of the state of climatic affairs.

Since huge percentages of the public don't bother to think, and can't be bothered to see what the experts say, that leaves the activists to try to get the word out. They do so the best they can. If they fail, it falls to the media, who -- because they are paid for by business advertising -- are essentially activists as well.

In a nutshell: If you want to know the reality of the world as best you can, consult professional sources. If you just want to keep an open mind about it, pick an activist voice that appeals to you, and listen. Better than nothing, probably.
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Old 24th-October-2005, 03:01 AM
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I think we are not going to agree on this topic ZPJ so I am calling it a day. I respect your right to have an opinion but I don't think you are right.

I am off back to bed.

Good day to you sir!
But of course. you have the right to disagree. Thus, we can simply agree to disagree then. PS. I absolutely don't think you are right either. :P

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Old 24th-October-2005, 06:04 PM
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Hayduke!

realclimate.org

The realclimate site (Linked Above) you suggested is great for information on global warming. I recommend everyone check it out, as it's very informative.

Cheers.

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