Al Gore vs Global Warming Skeptics

[earth-list.com]

I attended the UCSD Climate Change and Global Warming Seminar and it was nice to hear from the actual scientiest who are actively monitoring the data/changes....as opposed to AL Gore.

Not that I have any problems with Al, but you know what I mean, right skeptics? The bottom line is that changes are happening, and whether or not it's man driven, we need to live cleaner and more sustainably.

Mike
Earth-List.com: Alternative Energy and Organic Living Business Directory

[prashamk]

Why the hell you are creating new threads left, right and center..... when similar topics are already in place?

I request Admin / Mods to merge earth-list.com's posts with revelant older threads.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by prashamk

Why the hell you are creating new threads left, right and center..... when similar topics are already in place?

I request Admin / Mods to merge earth-list.com's posts with revelant older threads.

This is how SEO spam-linkers adapt to the new "two-posts" rule for including links. I don't see how this will really help the "business" of his website.

[earth-list.com]

sorry, i went a little overboard. no more shameless SPAM.

Back to my point, do you know of any serious global warming skeptics? I think it's safe to say they generally don't like AL Gore, and that only fuels their fire.

[spadlet]

Originally Posted by earth-list.com

sorry, i went a little overboard. no more shameless SPAM.

Back to my point, do you know of any serious global warming skeptics? I think it's safe to say they generally don't like AL Gore, and that only fuels their fire.

To be honest I know quite a few people that dson't like Al Gore and he hasn't neccessarily had anything to do with their opinions on global warming. One collegue even confessed to falling asleep within the first 15 minutes of the film.

Personally, I seem to be a bit sceptical about AGW. I just don't think we have enough data or any proved mechanisms. It all seems as theoritical as the Big Bang. Whilst I'll happily accept that both are valid theories, I dont have people trying to justify massive cultural chages based on the Big Bang theory (even religious changes dont rely solely on the existance or not of the Big Bang). I'm not convinced that current scientific knowledge justifies alll of the currrently proposed actions. Part of it is about misapplication regarding public advice (for example research into the environmental impacts of different building technologies is a current research area) but some stuff I've read questioning the conclusions of the IPCC seems interesting. I think I need to read some undergrad meteorology and climatology books to enable me to form my own opinions though.

I certainly think that questioning and scepticism can be a good thing in the long term because it's the only way people seem to develop their ideas and improve the accuracy.

For example, with the wind industry, where companies had to jump through loads of environmental impact assessment hoops. WHilst various people complained about that, the technologies that developed and hte knowedge about where they should and should not be sited means that they can be relatively (because people never seem to worry about the minig etc to obtain the substances used) environmentally begnin. Solar PV seems to be going through the environmental impact assessment stage atm so all being well that will be proven as a relatively begning technology soon.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by earth-list.com

sorry, i went a little overboard. no more shameless SPAM.

No more spam, because it is no longer "necessary". Over the past few days "earth-list.com" registered and relentlessly spammed at least 20 other forums, some only remotely related to the environment. Just run a google search on "earth-list.com" to see the extent of this spammer's scamming. It is almost unbelievable how many forums this "Mike" has polluted with his "free-advertisement for earth-list.com" garbage posts.

So there are now at least five pages of hits for "earth-list.com" on google But that plan may have backfired already since the ~10 "hits" originating on TES come out at the top of the list, even higher than the actual earth-list.com website itself. So fortunately, anybody looking for information on that directory is likely to read the posts on this forum first .

Sorry Mike, "words have consequences" and your poor choice of forum words is now jeopardising the commercial interests of all the "green" businesses that chose to list on your "earth-list.com" directory.

earth-list.com __0~~0__ This Spider is Indexing You < Tag = Spambot >

Originally Posted by earth-list.com

Back to my point, do you know of any serious global warming skeptics? I think it's safe to say they generally don't like AL Gore, and that only fuels their fire.

What is the relevance of whether "global warming skeptics" like Al Gore or not? Why are you trying to make an issue out of the personalities and politicians that choose to align themselves with these issues?

Anyway, it is presumptious, arrogant and naive to overestimate the role and significance of a failed American politician on the whole issue of climate change. Al Gore only recently jumped on that bandwagon, the entire debate has been mainstream since 1987. So, if it took a failed politician to bring Americans up to the level of the rest of the world, that is your problem not ours.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do - this is not an American forum, so please leave your alien and irrelevant issues at home where they belong. I am not suggesting that all American members of this forum are like that - but this sort of behaviour seems to be characteristic of the "keyword=spambot=earth-list.com" variety of posters that are exported from the US.A (they are second only to China as a source of spambots).

But I suppose this bizarre and irrational overstatement of Al Gore's relevance is to be expected from an All-American Spambot-For-Hire such as "earth-list.com" who apparently cannot distinguish between a global issue and a California issue. Further to which, was seemingly unaware that the concept of "nationwide" does not extend beyond the boundaries of a single country.

Still on the topic of "global warming skeptics", this is one of his messages (accompanying a spam-link) on another of the forums attacked by "earth-list.com":

Originally Posted by "earth-list.com" on another forum

I generally find that people who (respectfully) don't believe human activity is the primary cause of global warming tend not to care about doing their part to live greener and keep the earth cleaner.

I would just like to remind the global skeptics that regardless the cause of global warming, living cleaner and more sustainably is something that EVERYONE should be a part of.....it's our social responsibility.

I'm not saying we should all go back to living in caves, but just be conscious of the products and services we use in our everyday lives. If there's a 'green' alternative, use it! Change happens slow, and we all need to start somewhere.

In other words, he makes the rather bold claim that people who are skeptical about AGW are less caring, irresponsible and less "green". No examples of experiences via which he arrived at that conclusion, and no verifying data or links (except, just like on TES, an irrelevant link to his own site).

Further to that, the solution is to buy green alternatives (of course, at the businesses conveniently accessible via the earth-list.com greenspam business directory).

[forfismum]

Excellent work Karl, I take my hat off to you for that post.

[BestTimesNow]

Originally Posted by Karl

This is how SEO spam-linkers adapt to the new "two-posts" rule for including links. I don't see how this will really help the "business" of his website.

I don't like the 2 post rule for links either. What is the value of this post, other than being my second post?

[include]

Owned by Karl BTN, it's there to stop people posting 1 spam post and then buggering off.

[shanker]

less rain over heat all are the Climate Changes problem. why the problem is come because the Global Warming. it is big problem for universal.
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