Indigenous Peoples Hardest Hit By Climate Change

[forfismum]

Originally Posted by forfismum

I am really afraid to suggest that Africa has been unable to manage itself over the past half century and indeed is returning to the conditions which existed when Stanley was a boy.

And as the racist slur regarding "Stormfront" has shown my fear was justified. When Stanley was exploring Africa there were places where there were no survivors,disease did not discriminate,it took everyone.Vast improvements were made,disease erradicate or at very least controlled until mid last century when the wind of change started to blow every gain away.This wind is nothing to do with climate change ,it is a poitical entity and is corrupt and a disaster for the African nations for it seems that none of them can escape the tide of corruption.South Africa is sliding downhill right now.

This like AGW ,is entirely political.

Famine and disease is down to politics and has very little to do with climate change.

I am well aware of the tactics used by the loony left to force their views on others,one of the main tools used is to try to destroy the credibility of anyone who dares to disagree with them,and using race is at the top of that tool box.

[Karl]

If I ever encounter any of those leftist loonies, I will be sure to pass on the message to them. It will be up to them whether or not it ends up on the revised list of conspiracies. The left says its AGW and nothing else; the right says the weather is fine and everything should be as usual; but there remains a "third position" in climate change - both anthropogenic and natural variations, in other words a bit of both (but plenty of neither).

The point is - Greenland really was "green" and Vinland really was covered in vines. They may not be so now, but they will be again in the future. How soon? We cannot tell, but, just in case, you should really start investing in some mosquito-nets. Regardless of its role in the past, DDT is almost certain to never come back.

[screener]

thanks for passing that on Karl.

what kind favour the politics conspiracies? it's all just politics again!! ah well there are so many different kinds of loonies that we should take stock of how irritating we of the saner persuasions can be.

one thing that i think is accepted is that the poor no matter where they live will have a tougher time than the wealthy.

[forfismum]

[quote=Karl;240760]; but there remains a "third position" in climate change - both anthropogenic and natural variations, in other words a bit of both (but plenty of neither). [quote]

Thats what I have been saying all along,my point is that IF and it is still a big if,we are contributing to or speeding up climate changes then our contribution is tiny and we should invest in people not windmills and hulahoops.

The point is - Greenland really was "green" and Vinland really was covered in vines. They may not be so now, but they will be again in the future. How soon? We cannot tell, but, just in case, you should really start investing in some mosquito-nets. Regardless of its role in the past, DDT is almost certain to never come back.

DDT is still in use and I beleive that it is manufactured in China?


Now you did mention biology etc in the context of mossies and in simple terms stop mother mossie laying eggs and we on the way to a solution.She depends of the surface tenson of the water to support her while she lays,without it she falls in and drowns.Ditto for the larvae,they hang on the the underside of the meniscus.Many moons ago on construction sites in malerial areas we sprayed diesel onto any pools and ponds that we could not drain or clean up,now that was a drastic solution but it did kill mossies as did DDT. So where are we at with research into non-polluting ways or drowning mother and/or child ? I do recall that there were suitable specific bacteria with a good kill rate used but where has that lead to? I have not been in mossie areas for ages now,my problem is horseflies

[prashamk]

I often get confused about what to believe and what to not, in matters of global warming !!!

[forfismum]

Originally Posted by screener

thanks for passing that on Karl.

what kind favour the politics conspiracies? it's all just politics again!! ah well there are so many different kinds of loonies that we should take stock of how irritating we of the saner persuasions can be.

one thing that i think is accepted is that the poor no matter where they live will have a tougher time than the wealthy.

Loony? I have diplomas for it

As for Karls mention of meeting up with leftist loonies,I once spent a very interesting day in a labour party social club in R**** in England. A melee of class-warriors all being groomed by a small group of very clever but very bitter people.I think that myself and my hackette g/f were the only folks there who actually worked for a living.The money for all the beer being consumed [except mine] came from the welfare state.

[Emmanuel70]

There are many well-intentioned schemes that ended up creating worse problems than those they were meant to address. I agree with the original article, indigenous people are severely affected by some of these measures designed to mitigate climate change. In my country, the Philippines, people have to line up for cheap rice because of the current world food supply shortage. From what I gathered, there are several factors that came into play to bring about this problem, but one of these - the reduction of food crop lands to give way to bio-fuel farms - certainly created a big impact.

[flashgordon]

Speaking of the Philippines, has not a lot of land been taken from indigenous peoples to make way for Palm Oil plantations to fuel the Wests growing desire for biofuel? Seems like if the actual climate is not impacting indigenous peoples, the processes we are taking concerning climate change are. Same goes in Peru with all of the new hydrocarbon prospecting, or the mega soy farms in Brazil for biofuel. They get the short end of the stick either way.

[Windguy]

Originally Posted by prashamk

I often get confused about what to believe and what to not, in matters of global warming !!!

http://www.bom.gov.au/info/Greenhous...mateChange.pdf

Here is something that will help, people not to pull the wool over your eyes.

It's before 2007 so there are some minor changes since but for 99% of it it is a damn fine resource.