The world is cooling (apparently)

[Windguy]

"Who is talking about a 90 % reduction in greenhouse gases by 2050? worldwide? I'd like to see that justification."

The Garnaut Review. Basing climate change around Australia's economy (Since Australia will be more affected than the rest of the world in terms of the economy).

"In transportation I think that we should be looking at a 100 mile diet for more of our needs than just food, maybe for building supplies, clothing, and even fuel."

We have to find alternatives not constraints. The phasing out of incandescents was brilliant but simple idea as by economical reasons the fluros last longer and are cheaper to run overall. So incandescents really only benefit 0.05% of people (businesses such as beauty therapy use incandescent light to essentially lie to their clients by showing the clients that they have soft brown skin).

If capacitor technology replaces the lithium batteries in hybrid vehicles, we could essentially ban the standard car to the dark ages. (not right now though). Placing constraints could essentially slowly crush the economy, therefore cutting off the flow of money towards more environmentally friendly alternatives.

[screener]

Constraints might not be the best word for an attempt by people to get in synch with their local environments. I think that a broad brush approach only serves to centralize initiative, authority, and populations. Centralized government whether through bureaucratic or monopolistic means should have seen it's day by now.

Looking for alternatives on a local basis will spur inventiveness, see the design of say vehicles for a variety of ecosystems, rather than for a median climate line drawn through the US. The same could apply to housing, agriculture, forestry, and other energy developments. The flow of money right now doesn't seem to be in the direction of alternatives, rather it is going to big coal, big hydro, big oil, etc.

[forfismum]

Originally Posted by Windguy

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We have to find alternatives not constraints. The phasing out of incandescents was brilliant but simple idea as by economical reasons the fluros last longer and are cheaper to run overall. So incandescents really only benefit 0.05% of people (businesses such as beauty therapy use incandescent light to essentially lie to their clients by showing the clients that they have soft brown skin).

First sentence OK but i have just had another CFL burn out,they are not performing.Where did the 0.05% figure come from?Should I put up with any constraints on my reading time due to the eyestrain caused by flourescent ? LEDs are still to blue and far too hard on the eyes,maybe another 5 years development is in order before we all go epileptic from bloody flickering and flashing sources of light/

[Windguy]

Originally Posted by forfismum

First sentence OK but i have just had another CFL burn out,they are not performing.Where did the 0.05% figure come from?Should I put up with any constraints on my reading time due to the eyestrain caused by flourescent ? LEDs are still to blue and far too hard on the eyes,maybe another 5 years development is in order before we all go epileptic from bloody flickering and flashing sources of light/

Well the chinese have started to build them which has lowered their average price from $20 each to about $3.50 each. What I've also seen is certain brands burn out rather quickly, so the cheapest is not the best. At the moment I have Phillips and Mirabella globes (out of 10 bulbs in one year 1 has blown), can't remember the crappy ones we use to have that were dull and didn't last. But one thing's for sure "Stay away from the $2 shops".

I always get the 18w because they do tend to lie a little bit in their comparison chart and you can also get warm white (which is essentially a similar yellow light compared to an incandescent).

[forfismum]

Well now me little ray of sunshine, I am well aware of buying quality,but it happens that the brand which is crap is .....you guessed it,Phillips.Most of these outfits just brand crap anyways as they are for the most part vendors in these times,not manufacturers.And there is no way that warm white or cold lavender or whatever is going to be as comfortable as incandescent due to flicker unless you have 3 phase power and a lamp burning on each of them.They are great in places where they are left switched on and where comfort and eyestrain is not a problem.

[treekiller]

I'm with you Forfismum. I cannot stand the light from the CFL bulbs. I am building a stock of incandescent bulbs before they are phased out or outlawed.

[Windguy]

I don't know about you guy's but I haven't seen a CFL flicker yet. They are far better than the old tubes, which could flicker for months before dying. (Probably why most people tend to find out their epileptic at school - just made it up, no statistics so leave me alone). These CFL's they either work or they're dead. As I said before if the light is causing eyestrain, use more powerful ones, because they tend to lie about their brightness, 21w are available now. Thank god for CFL's when you have kids. You turn all the lights off in the house, then when they decide to walk through the house they light their path with the 10 lightswitches then don't turn them off again.

[forfismum]

I mean the flicker that is caused by a/c power,un-noticed by most folks.Can be really bad here as we use 220v.What is it in the US?

PS I use the more powerful ones but the output drops off very rapidly,much faster it seems than flour.tubes.

[Windguy]

110V in the states and 240V in ole down under.

What you might have to do FM is to get yourself 12V DC versions and a transformer for those special times you do need to read or study if it is that bad. It doesn't really matter about the AC voltage though as the Hz is usually 50 to 60Hz the same as a TV set or more than twice as fast as a rear projection cinema movie.

[forfismum]

Or a big bag of nice comforting 100w incandesants .