The world is cooling (apparently)

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Originally Posted by forfismum

OK your little friend posted a piece of nonsense regarding records.Then went on the use that bit of ignorance to infer that we were somehow hypocrites because he/she/it only has information going back 100 years.A simple read through the earlier posts would where most of us get our facts from.

It would be helpful if folks introduced themselves so as to allow folks like me to stand up and give my seat to a pregnant woman or try to understand that the new 16 year old has just left school and is as thick as two short planks.Get my drift?

Anther bit on being helpful.Why can't the moderators of this forum get rid of the spammers instead of sniping at me and each other? There were 3 of them on the board at the same time yesterday while one mod was googling away trying to find links to bash another mod with.

My friend did not as far as I can see post any nonsense, nor use it in ignorance. It is possible that you have misread the statement in question in ignorance. Would that be ironic?

Perhaps it would be helpful if we had the background of people we are discussing things with. If I have the option of discussing things with people even if I don't have the lowdown on them, or of not discussing things with them, I choose the former.

Windguy defined moderators and their roles here to a T so I won't say more about that. I agree with you that spam can be a waste of time and resources, but I don't let it bother me too much.

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[OH-IO1981]

Originally Posted by forfismum
OK your little friend posted a piece of nonsense regarding records.Then went on the use that bit of ignorance to infer that we were somehow hypocrites because he/she/it only has information going back 100 years.

perhaps you were mistaken and made a poor assumption. If you are representative of the people on these forums, i doubt thats the case, I could see how people could be turned away from a site like this. Perhaps maybe you should let the mods do the moderating. If it bother you that much, reading what I have to post and not knowing anything about me, perhaps you should start your owns web site and rule there. Otherwise, you probably shouldnt tell other people what to do.

But for the sake of putting your aprhensions to rest, I recently graduated from The Ohio State University with a BA in Geography-People,Society and the Environment and I turn 27 tomorrow.

My friend did not as far as I can see post any nonsense, nor use it in ignorance. It is possible that you have misread the statement in question in ignorance. Would that be ironic?

thank you mr mod.

now if we could only address the original question that started this useless bickering.

[forfismum]

May I be the first to wish you a very happy birthday tomorrow

[forfismum]

Originally Posted by screener

about that. I agree with you that spam can be a waste of time and resources, but I don't let it bother me too much.

well you should.Many of the people coming to this [and other ] forums do so from work. When the real cost of spam hits the employers then its bye bye to surfing at work.

For home users on dial up ,and there are many of these still,factor in the attention time, the cost of logging on when they get a notification of a new post in the forum only to find that it is a rubbish link to some twats blog ,abuse of privacy and the potential to over-ride parental control.

Economics, government & business - Spam costs UK businesses £1.3bn a year - 09/03/2005

[cbacba]

Originally Posted by Windguy

You have to consider this forum has slowed down in the last couple of months, with not one hint of active or slightly heated debate occuring lately (I may be wrong as I haven't visited much lately either). The problem is in forum terms we are the old tired generation, and we need fresh blood in to activate discussions again. Being blunt won't be inviting to them and they'll leave while we stew around waiting for something interesting to crop up.

I gain ideas to actively lobby with from this forum, and to enhance my knowledge. I am amazed that people can broach a subject outside cyberspace (in real life) and I can now run rings around their knowledge easily when they are highly educated people. So we have to consider this site as a tool as well and try to keep active all discusions as much as possible.

problem with climate analysis is that it crosses so many disciplines, no one can be an expert on all of it. It's got so much pizzaz (and big bucks for research) every cockroach hunter thinks they can become a celeb by pushing the latest proof of pending catastrophe by analyzing the counts of cockroaches around the year. For algor and crew, it's big bucks to sell fear and fraudulent carbon credits, the indulgences of the 'faith'.

It almost seems like the whole eco world has been funded covertly by industries that stand to benefit from the demise of other ones who are the recipients of the ecowhackos assaults. Actually, Cato Inst. once showed where the dupont crowd had funded some of the ecowhackos in their assault on freon - shortly before the patent was to expire and the replacement goo was inferior, corrosive, more expensive and cacenogenic. It paid off big for them when freon12 was banned in the first world.

It's beginning to look as if that was the tip of an iceberg. You'll note the expectations of the rise of american nuclear industry now - stunted by decades of ecowhacko assaults that benefitted the coal and natural gas industries. Now it would appear that maybe the nuke industry has decided to declare war on the carbon energy industry - voila AGW and it's working.

Universities are setting up to turn out nuke power engineers at the graduate level. nuke power plants are being considered for production - etc etc etc.

The foolish assumptions of these junior g-men spouting their religious creed of AGW that their opponents are are merely ignorant of the facts and the incessant political attacks on opponents has perhaps started to be noticed by those with casual interest. Those little 12 yr old brownshirts with the party line tend to lose their 'cuteness' very quickly for most people and the failures of the radical claims blaming everything on AGW - like how the frequency and intensity of hurricanes will increase - along with the claim every hurricane including katrina and rita is now caused by AGW have hit the wall with a quiet season or two as the long term cycle meanders through its usual multidecadal course.

As for me, I don't get much time these days to drop by.

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As you say,,, It might almost seem like opposing industries are funding fights against competing ecology destroying industries. And not that I doubt that there aren't industries covering even that angle in an effort to get the biggest share of whatever is left over, but let's not get carried away with such a supposition. Industry has much more cost effective ways to spend their lobbying dollars.

I hope not many environmentalists are blinding themselves to where their funding is coming from because I believe in the old argument that it's hard to bring the house down on yourself when you are inside of it. Samson had a special gift.

The important thing to remember is that it really is just a house of cards, so if someone huffs and puffs and blows it down people on the bottom floor will get hurt the most. I think the trick is to take cards one by one like a river moving an island downstream, and move them to where they are more appropriate. A slow process that can't be conducted if you are entrenched in the infrastructure.

Same link to those wild and wacky ecowhackos at the world meteorological organization.

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[Windguy]

It all really boils down to how and where we are going to get our power for the future. The goals they state from 0% increase by 2020 to the almost 90% decrease in emissions by 2050, who and what are doing those studies, are they making assumptions for non existent technology someone has estimated that will be invented? Or is it all based upon existing technology? Have they even thought of the how??

Really CO2 is a major piece of the puzzle showing (similar to texas hold'em) we do still have other cards being revealed as we speak, such as carbon soot. Localised climate changes also plays a bit part.

So for me AGW is still real, and is the major affector, but like you said Cbacba "problem with climate analysis is that it crosses so many disciplines, no one can be an expert on all of it", there will be no satisfactory endpoint for everyone to agree.

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Windguy, I think it is likely that no major field of research is manageable by any one person anymore. Renaisance people these days can get buried in a fraction of any one discipline. No point in not moving along though, it requires consultation across a broad range of businesses and interests to get anywhere meaningful. Then you have to have a committed public relations system.

Who is talking about a 90 % reduction in greenhouse gases by 2050? worldwide? I'd like to see that justification.

I haven't seen any projections using un-realized technologies. I think that conservation, time of use, and less baseload requirements in heating and cooling and electricity systems will help more than more generation projects. In transportation I think that we should be looking at a 100 mile diet for more of our needs than just food, maybe for building supplies, clothing, and even fuel.

[cbacba]

unfortunately, the latest assault is in the realm of the long ago sensitivities where claims of 2-3 deg K warming per doubling is inferred by the experiment results. What's unfortunate is that the researchers failed to distinguish between correlation and causation, or causality. It seems they assumed causation rather than proved it.

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