The world is cooling (apparently)

[forfismum]

Originally Posted by OH-IO1981

the earth is billions of years old and we have weather records for only 100+ years,

Now who in tarnation fed you that bit of crappy knowledge ?? Have a read through our many posts and you will, hopefully, learn something.meanwhile who are you ? There is a place where you can do us the courtesy of saying hello

[OH-IO1981]

umm, not sure where are to start there, Im not sure what you mean or if you were being sarcastic with the earth is billions of years old and we only have weather records of 100+ years thing. I dont know if you assumed I needed to educate myself with, ice cores, sediment cores, tree rings etc to get paleoclimatic records? I was playing devils advocate there, but

Maybe this site is just over my head?

[forfismum]

You can play what you like once you have been here for a while Now ,trot along upstairs and say a few words where it says "Introduce yourself" and all wil be sweetness and light.........maybe

[forfismum]

Warmists beat straying BBC man back into line

A talking point among "climate sceptics" on both sides of the Atlantic has been the bizarre tale of how the BBC's chief reporter on climate change censored an item on the BBC website after being harried by a "climate activist".

On April 4 Roger Harrabin posted a story on the fact that world temperatures have not continued to rise in the past 10 years, and this year will fall to a level markedly below the average of the past two decades.
# Global temperatures 'to decrease' [4 April '08] - BBC News

Citing the World Meteorological Organisation, Mr Harrabin accurately reported that "global temperatures have not risen since 1998, prompting some to question climate change theory".

This was a red rag to Jo Abbess of the Campaign Against Climate Change (Hon President, George Monbiot), who emailed Mr Harrabin demanding that he "correct" his item.

Mr Harrabin insisted that what he had written was true. There are indeed eminent climate scientists "who question whether warming will continue as predicted".

This only angered Ms Abbess further. She said it was "highly irresponsible to play into the hands of the sceptics", to "even hint that the Earth is cooling down again".

Mr Harrabin, though he has led the BBC's tireless promotion of warmist orthodoxy, stood firm. Even in the "general media", he replied, "sceptics" highlight the lack of increase since 1998: to ignore this might give the impression that "debate is being censored".

His item had, after all, added "we are still in a long-term warming trend".

This was too much for Ms Abbess. She responded that this was not "a matter of debate". He should not be quoting the sceptics "whose voice is heard everywhere, on every channel, deliberately obstructing the emergence of the truth".

Unless he changed his item, she said, "I would have to conclude that you are insufficiently educated to be able to know when you have been psychologically manipulated". She threatened to expose him by spreading his replies across the internet.

At this point the BBC's man caved in. Within minutes a new version appeared, given the same time and date as that which he had consigned to Winston Smith's memory hole.

Out went any mention of "sceptics" who question global warming. After a guarded reference to this year's "slightly cooler" temperatures, a new paragraph said that they would "still be above the average" and that we will "soon exceed the record year of 1998 because of the global warming induced by greenhouse gases".

Of course we have long known where the BBC stands on climate change. But it is good to have such clear evidence that, even when one of its reporters tries to be honest, he can be whipped back into line by a pressure group.

In the end, Ms Abbess still circulated the exchanges on the internet, to show the great victory she had won for the "emerging truth".

Christopher Booker Sunday Telegraph 13/04/08

[nickpecoraro]

Originally Posted by forfismum

Now who in tarnation fed you that bit of crappy knowledge ?? Have a read through our many posts and you will, hopefully, learn something.meanwhile who are you ? There is a place where you can do us the courtesy of saying hello

So how old is the earth, FFM? Are you one of those young earth religious believers? Science says that the earth is several billion years old.

You might have scared that new person away by jumping on him when he said the earth was billions of years old. Invite him back.

Nick Pecoraro

[forfismum]

My calculations show that the earth is 4.5 billion and 7 years old.

It was not the age of the earth that was at question but the idiotic suggestion that we only had 100+years of weather records that I was responding to and the fact that he/she or it dived in and never even said hello

[Windguy]

You have to consider this forum has slowed down in the last couple of months, with not one hint of active or slightly heated debate occuring lately (I may be wrong as I haven't visited much lately either). The problem is in forum terms we are the old tired generation, and we need fresh blood in to activate discussions again. Being blunt won't be inviting to them and they'll leave while we stew around waiting for something interesting to crop up.

I gain ideas to actively lobby with from this forum, and to enhance my knowledge. I am amazed that people can broach a subject outside cyberspace (in real life) and I can now run rings around their knowledge easily when they are highly educated people. So we have to consider this site as a tool as well and try to keep active all discusions as much as possible.

[forfismum]

There was huge spate of new pasts in the last few days Windy,i think Adi has the problem of logging in under review.I know that i was chopped while trying to post over the past few weeks,I think I will write off line and then do a quick copy and paste when i can get in.

[forfismum]

Originally Posted by forfismum

Christopher Booker Sunday Telegraph 13/04/08

Maybe that item shows that the bullying tactics of Gore and his ilk is pissing folks and that people like that "Campaign Against Climate Change" are on the run and no longer haunting the internet

[Windguy]

Originally Posted by forfismum

There was huge spate of new pasts in the last few days Windy,i think Adi has the problem of logging in under review.I know that i was chopped while trying to post over the past few weeks,I think I will write off line and then do a quick copy and paste when i can get in.

I get "server is busy" quite a few times. Because my usual play on this is 4 in the morning when it does it to me I just get off the computer without even bothering no more. A good website starting to to be ruined by a bad server??? I don't think he's had much trouble at all until the last couple of months.