The world is cooling (apparently)

[forfismum]

Originally Posted by nemesis9

#9 talks about animal habitat migration, this is already well documented in many geographical areas. What are you reading?

Yes this started about 11,000 years ago round these parts,may have been earlier on the European mainland.And where animals and birdies go,plants are sure to follow.Or in some cases precede.

[treekiller]

Originally Posted by nemesis9

Forest fires in the Western United States have increased dramatically in recent years, just like result #1 says. This is well documented. What are you not reading, or not seeing?

Fuel load in forests has increase from continued fire suppression. Natural small fires are healthy for a forest. Ever since "Smokey the Bear" interfered, the forests have become unhealthy and prone to huge fires. The increased frequency, size, and intensity of fires in the western United States has nothing to due with climate. Blame those damn bears.

[nemesis9]

Originally Posted by forfismum

Yes this started about 11,000 years ago round these parts,may have been earlier on the European mainland.And where animals and birdies go,plants are sure to follow.Or in some cases precede.

We're talking about within the last generation, i.e., within the memory of living individuals

[nemesis9]

Originally Posted by treekiller

Fuel load in forests has increase from continued fire suppression. Natural small fires are healthy for a forest. Ever since "Smokey the Bear" interfered, the forests have become unhealthy and prone to huge fires. The increased frequency, size, and intensity of fires in the western United States has nothing to due with climate. Blame those damn bears.

More to do with drought rather than fuel loads.

[forfismum]

Originally Posted by nemesis9

We're talking about within the last generation, i.e., within the memory of living individuals

Yup ,sometime it takes a while for folks to notice whats going on around them.Then they get excited about it until they do a little study on the subject,then they calm down a bit.

[forfismum]

Briefly .The [ northwards ] migration rates for Beech and Maple in North America is somewhere around 100m/yr.But this expansion is controlled by various factors and so it may appear to some folks that tree species and their attendant livestock have suddenly arrived in a new area.This alteration to the flora and fauna has ,as mentioned,been a constant feature of the planet and can be well studied in the areas which were glaciated during the last ice age.

[Cthulhu]

Rather than describing only part of the global temperature trend, it's better to let people judge the trends for themselves by giving them a graph. Unfortunately this is something media articles almost never do.


What’s Up With That? Open Mind

For example there you can see for yourself that global temperature is lower today than it was in 1998. You don't need a journalist to explain it to you as if they think you aren't capable of reading a graph yourself.

You can decide for yourself whether the claim that there has been cooling since 1998 is correct.

You can decide for yourself by looking at the full record how much variation there is, and whether we can conclude temps have peaked.

[nickpecoraro]

Some of you may remember that back in the 1960's the scientists at the weather bureau in Colorado issued a government report that the world was entering a cold cycle of weather for a period of 40 years. They claimed we were going to experience a little "ice age." It never happened.
Maybe the scientists were correct but their timing was a bit late. On the other hand we seem to be getting warmer from CO2 emissions.

The two trends may be opposing each other.

I'm sorry that my reference is so fuzzy but perhaps if someone looks they may find the report. I had a copy for many years but tossed it when I moved and it didn't get colder.

Nick Pecoraro

[forfismum]

Thank you for the nice picture Cthulhu.
I find it interesting to note that the drop in temp.is about 0.2 degrees or maybe 0.02 but the end result is that this negates the earlier rises and i dont care right now about the exactitudes and am happy to accept the consensus from the 4 main observing bodies as quoted elsewhere in the forum.I like forums,you get to find out lots of things.But if you are a single issue person then it can be a harsh environment 'cause you only get a snippet of the full picture.I hope you all liked Mac's photies,'specially the one of the spider.

[OH-IO1981]

what I dont get is, those who oppose the idea of anthropogenic climate change say, the earth is billions of years old and we have weather records for only 100+ years, how can we possibly have an idea of what to expect. Then the same people look at a 10 year record and say, look, co2 and temp arent correlated, temp has gone down. There is no such thing as ACC.

Isnt that a bit hyocritical?