Global Warming -The End

[forfi]

Originally Posted by genaman

WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU ARE WRONG AND THERE REALLY IS MAN MADE CLIMATE CHANGE HAPPENING?

THEN WE ARE ALL DOOMED UNLESS FLASH GORDON CAN GET HERE IN TIME.

[Claire]

Thanks Forfi, for making me think. I don't believe climate change is a hoax, but I have to admit that I'm not sure why I think that. Basically any attempt to decide either way appears to me to be an attempt to second-guess the behaviour of an unbelievably complex system.
I do think that a large number of very eminent people who seem to me to be quite sensible are saying that this is happening, and I don't buy into the conspiracy theories about funding etc. being dependent on buying into the theories.
I also think that there are a lot of business opportunities in reducing emissions - reducing energy use will, if done in a sensible way, offer opportunities for becoming more efficient as a business and with energy costs as they are, it makes sound business sense to reduce waste of energy.
Basically though the more I find out about anything, the less sure I become. So I'm quite sure it's possible I'm wrong, in which case my life's work will all be for nothing, nothing I say.
I don't really get why people have got so aerated about this thread though. It's good to be challenged on your beliefs. It's good to discuss them with someone who disagrees, so long as you can have a sensible and reasonably polite discussion. Isn't it?

[Bored Wombat]

Originally Posted by imp

That being said, I finally decided sometime (can't say exactly when) over the past 3 years that AGW is a complete hoax.

Where does this forum find these people?

Do you think that physics is wrong and there is no greenhouse effect, or do you think all the extra CO2 in the atmosphere, traceable by isotope ratios to the combustion of fossil fuels, is not anthropogenic?

[Bored Wombat]

Originally Posted by forfi

Stay tuned ,and don't get your pompous drawers all twisted.

That's all you can say?
Not one scientific organisation?
Then shut up. It is clear that AGW is real and a problem.

Everyone else is talking impacts and solutions.

Get with the program.

[forfi]

Perhaps using the word scam is wrong Claire,but there are many chancers who have climbed on to the bandwagon for many different reasons and distorted the whole story.I had the pleasure of talking to some 16 year olds who had just given a half baked geography teacher a good roasting for trying to bullshit them about global warming,luck for him the hockey stick was not a real one.Problem with that is the teacher was trotting out the official line and was not allowing any view which did not agree with this,collectively the young people had more knowledge than he did.In addition some of them had seen the counter to Gores cartoon and were not impressed with the one sided approach
And here is the nub of the vexed question,smart arses treating everyone who dares to question their dubious theories as somehow stupid or childish just as that boring Wombat person did above.And be certain of this,global warming is all about theory and conjecture and unproven hypothesis.NO body can or should make decisions to waste millions on guesswork.

[forfi]

OK some photies to illustrate the posts above.

First a close up of the raised beach mentioned,note the two layers of shells? so we have two seperate events here.Next a view of glacial till and other bits and bobs and last one shows a thin blackish line of organic material set in a 40 foot high cliff.Comments?

[forfi]

Originally Posted by Bored Wombat

That's all you can say?
Not one scientific organisation?
Then shut up. It is clear that AGW is real and a problem.

Everyone else is talking impacts and solutions.

Get with the program.

Regrettably you are showing what an obnoxious and overbearing person you really are,echoes of the Gobby Green Gobshite ,sad really.

[Bored Wombat]

Originally Posted by genaman

WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU ARE WRONG AND THERE REALLY IS MAN MADE CLIMATE CHANGE HAPPENING?

The risk analysis is simple, but very serious. Because the consequences are so serious, and because there is so much inertia in the system: (The lifetime of CO2 in the atmosphere is measured in centuries, and the only operating sink - the oceans - lose efficiency, and may even become a source as it warms). The only course of action is to cut greenhouse emissions. It's probably too late to avoid serious climate change in some areas, but just because we needed to act by the 90s is no reason to make it worse still.

And in all probability he is wrong. Peer reviewed scientific papers and the opinions of scientific academies and organisations have no dissenting examples. So to conclude that Forfi is probably right is to conclude that all the known related science is wrong.

So we have a very high probability of there being a very high cost to not acting. And, as the stern review showed, a much smaller and certainly not disastrous cost to acting.

The game theory is clear.

Originally Posted by forfi

THEN WE ARE ALL DOOMED UNLESS FLASH GORDON CAN GET HERE IN TIME.

I don't suppose you've ever considered adding anything to a forum rather than just trolling?

I've often wondered what makes a troll. I guess the preference for lots of heated responses instead of intelligent ones speaks of severe loneliness.

I'm sorry if you've got no friends in real life, but these idiotic posts of yours are making this place worse for everyone else.

[Bored Wombat]

Originally Posted by forfi

Regrettably you are showing what an obnoxious and overbearing person you really are,echoes of the Gobby Green Gobshite ,sad really.

Regrettably you have not yet provided even one scientific organisation that doesn't support the IPCC view.

So your claim that "There are far more scientists in this world who do not subscribe to the organisations mentioned above." seems to be lacking any evidence by dozens to nil.

I guess you're feeling how wrong you are now, and that's why you are resorting to name calling since there's no way to back up your outlandish claims.

sad really.

[Bored Wombat]

Since you can't find any scientific organisations to support your position Forfi, how about some scientific papers?

I bet that for every peer reviewed paper published in the last 15 years than you can find that doubts that the recent warming is mostly anthropogenic, I can find 20 that find that the recent warming is mostly anthropogenic.

Recent being the last half of last century.