Global Warming -The End

[Bored Wombat]

Originally Posted by cbacba

I do like the way spot states that there is ice loss except where it is being built up by snowfall - evidently without realizing that this is the way the ice builds up and without sufficient snowfall, ice will dissappear regardless of temperature because of sublimation.

Global warming increases evaporation so it increases precipitation. In some areas there is therefore an increase in ice. I other areas the increased melt rate more than compensates for this and there is a decrease in ice.

As temperatures continue to increase the net effect is a melting.

Does that make spot's point any clearer?

[Bored Wombat]

Originally Posted by forfi

PLoS ONE: A Three-Stage Colonization Model for the Peopling of the Americas


it seems to have been missing on the odd occasion in the past

The northern summer sea ice has never been absent since dinosaurs had a good solution to the how to stay alive problem.

But people are estimating dates this side of 2040 for it's disappearance now.

Therefore there is warming.

[Bored Wombat]

Originally Posted by Windguy

We still need both stick and carrot for all companies though to help promote the environmental culture just as well as the Occupational Health and Safety culture has grown. After that the smaller companies or small businesses would probably need a real stick since they would dodge anything with the belief it won't happen to them while the large companies already have statistics of even a death rate per how many man hours worked.

I reckon that you only need a stick.

Polluting the environment and especially greenhouse pollution of the atmosphere is an externality to any business. A correct price needs to be put on it and businesses need to be charged.

Then the market will fix the problem. And you don't need to regulate for both carrots and sticks which costs to administer.

[Bored Wombat]

Originally Posted by cbacba

It's quite telling the lack of response to the GISS Lampasas information.

If you think that NASA dataset is suspicious use the Hadley Centre one. Or the Satellite ones. They all show warming.

[Bored Wombat]

Originally Posted by forfi

I use personal experience,look at my photies,they are not from Goolie or Wikzi.

Sorry to disillusion you but your personal experience of pointing your digi at a cliff or cutting and pressing the little button does very little to invalidate all of physics and chemistry. Nor does it make the findings of the world's climate scientists incorrect.

[treekiller]

Originally Posted by Bored Wombat

The northern summer sea ice has never been absent since dinosaurs had a good solution to the how to stay alive problem.

When you pull comments like this out of your astronomical imagination, it makes you look like you are inventing data. Where did you find accurate arctic ice records dating to the Senonian Period 65,000,000+ years ago?
http://www.theenvironmentsite.org/fo...1&d=1203669374
Post Pangea 65mya.gif

Therefore there is warming.

Warming is good for the plants and animals of the Earth.

[forfi]

I see by your hectoring tone that you haven't spent the 50 bucks you were offered.Now Wombat,go back into your own little thread and post away there to your hearts content.There you can do all the name calling that you do so well and leave this thread to all the silly people.

[cbacba]

"So your claim that warming is an artefact of the urban heat island effect is clearly rubbish.

I suspect therefore that the corrections performed by the GISS are not as bad as you are attempting to make out. They make an urban station match the long term trend of nearby rural stations. That will correct for the urban heat island effect.
Today 07:38
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Ah yes, now the defense for data prior to urban warming being manipulated (reduced) while later data subject to not only a bit of possible urban warming is not modified and in fact while a station move resulted in instant drastic increases in reported data for reasons that should be obvious to anyone - a location no one would consider putting out their own thermometer at.

[forfi]

Bored Wombat and cbacba do us all a favour and bugger of back to the other thread where you were having such a lovely time.Wombats posts are mainly personal abuse and boring,cbacba's are ,sorry to say,just boring.It was nice having both of you here but scrolling down through so much bollocks is not funny any more.So off you go and feel free to copy and paste to your hearts content.

[forfi]

Originally Posted by forfi

OK some photies to illustrate the posts above.

First a close up of the raised beach mentioned,note the two layers of shells? so we have two seperate events here.Next a view of glacial till and other bits and bobs and last one shows a thin blackish line of organic material set in a 40 foot high cliff.Comments?

No comments? Do any of you nice people have such evidence of former sea levels and glaciation near where you live? the two lines of seashells in photie 1 show clear evidence of the Younger Dryas.Why is Southampton UK rising and falling twice a day ?