Global Warming -The End

[forfi]

Originally Posted by spot1234

You brought it up one review of one weather station, It would be interesting to hear an explanation from the people running it. However if the work by climateaudit is accurate it would only be a problem for me if the problems at Lampass or wherever are typical of most weather monitoring stations. Since I don't study individual climate records I have to accept an aggregate record of temperature published by people like the royal society or NOHA

I also know that satellites can record the surface temperature and their instruments have been shown to have a good correlation with ground based measurements.

I also know that bark beatles have been invading pine forsets where normaly the harsh winters would kill them off.

I also know that in Greenland and the Artic sea is losing Ice year on year faster then anyone predicted.

I also know the Antartic is losing Ice year on year except where increased snowfall is builiding it up.

I also know that the Sahara is expanding and may well be a contributing cause to the conflict in darfur

I also know that In the garden flowers are coming up in the middle of February and we have hardly seen any snow this year.

I also know dispite the milons put into flood defenses in my region we are more likely to get flooding then we used to.

Thats the real world evidence I am on about.

OK so there have been a few posts in answer to the above,will you be joining the discussion or are you just here to make statements of homespun wisdom? Want to discuss the expansion of the Sahara just to warm up the room?

[cbacba]

forfi,

why bother asking? spot has already stated it's not a problem if most measuring stations don't have a similar problem. If only 10% of the stations had that level of a problem, it would explain all the recent warming. Also, the corrections supposedly done to fix heat bubble urban problem clearly do not. Instead, they lower temperatures from earlier measurements prior to the problem. Finally, spot assumes this is the opinion of some blog spot rather than realizing the proof is provided here as charts straight from GISS along with references to the GISS website. I guess spot doesn't realize that the GISS website is the orginator. Spot also assumes that climate audit has somehow manipulated the GISS data located on the GISS website or that somehow or another, it's possible for them to screw up the visual observation of two provided charts. Spot also thinks the sat. data matches the surface data.

I do like the way spot states that there is ice loss except where it is being built up by snowfall - evidently without realizing that this is the way the ice builds up and without sufficient snowfall, ice will dissappear regardless of temperature because of sublimation. There is also good theory that suggests snowfall cannot happen without open oceans to provide the humidity for the snow, meaning that without the open oceans up there, there will be insufficient moisture to allow snowfall to increase any ice - which infers it has to be cyclical.

lol

[forfi]

Originally Posted by cbacba

forfi,


I do like the way spot states that there is ice loss except where it is being built up by snowfall - evidently without realizing that this is the way the ice builds up and without sufficient snowfall, ice will dissappear regardless of temperature because of sublimation.

lol

Thank you for a realistic post.I was trying to be polite in not mentioning the point you make above

[forfi]

There is a post in another thread concerning the use of energy in IT which seems straight forward enough until you get deep into it.Could this be the next ploy by those who wish to revive the dying corpse of global warming? The statements seem to have a vaguely familiar tone .such as " The electricity to run the servers over three years is more than the cost of the server." Why should we be alarmed at this? Are servers too cheap? I make no apple logies for borrowing from this thread as it rhymes with " the warmest summer/winter/day since 19 Oh splash." An utterly meaningless piece of information.

[forfi]

Originally Posted by spot1234

I also know that in Greenland and the Artic sea is losing Ice year on year faster then anyone predicted.

PLoS ONE: A Three-Stage Colonization Model for the Peopling of the Americas


it seems to have been missing on the odd occasion in the past

[genaman]

I find it strange that you should mention Students from India Graduating .
It seems the country of India is getting right up there with the big boys in making Greenhouse gases.

Ok, as for you FlasH Gordon attempt at humour.
I doubt your grandchildren will see its mirth If you were dead wrong about Climate Change.

I also find it funny that you are against going forward to find better and cleaner ways on the way we live and work.
Infact the entire industrialise world seems to want to stay in their safe but dirty and polluting status quo.
WHY? WE could be only a decade or two away from turning the corner to a cleaner better world.
And what do we get from them? Throw away the Old and Buy the New Blue Ray Disks and the New Blue Ray Players. Or Our Latest Computers which works better then your old but you also have to buy new software.

Yes FLASH GORDON WHERE ARE YOU Or Somebody That Believes In A Better Heathier Future

[Claire]

Originally Posted by genaman

I also find it funny that you are against going forward to find better and cleaner ways on the way we live and work.
Infact the entire industrialise world seems to want to stay in their safe but dirty and polluting status quo.
WHY? WE could be only a decade or two away from turning the corner to a cleaner better world.

I don't think either of those things is true.

If I interpretted what Forfi said in response to my post correctly, he is all for companies being cleaner e.g. by using less energy, just resents people being made to spend a lot of money on climate change prevention when there are more immediate and definite problems that the money could be spent on (like clean water and education for all I guess). In some ways I agree with him, although my angle is a bit different - I wouldn't like to see companies forced to adopt end-of-pipe technologies, I'd rather they were encouraged to think about prevention rather than cure, by simplifying and rationalising all their processes. But he's more than able to speak for himself so we'll have to see what he has to say about this.

And there are plenty of companies making efforts to be greener and plenty of people working on commercialising green technologies. You just have to open your eyes to stories other than those of gloom and doom to find the good news. And the world is gradually getting cleaner, not dirtier. Look at what's happened to the Thames in London.

[Windguy]

We still need both stick and carrot for all companies though to help promote the environmental culture just as well as the Occupational Health and Safety culture has grown. After that the smaller companies or small businesses would probably need a real stick since they would dodge anything with the belief it won't happen to them while the large companies already have statistics of even a death rate per how many man hours worked.

[Claire]

Well, possibly. It's hard to second-guess that stuff, while the "carrots" are not yet widely enough publicised - but that's getting off Forfi's topic.
What I was trying to say though is that Genaman is wrong in assuming unilaterally that all businesses are bad and polluting, the people that run them are evil and wish only to pollute the world, and that everything is getting worse.

[forfi]

Claire has summed things up more or less correctly and a deviation from the topic really adds to it overall.I agree with carrots but I am appalled at how the UK is being beaten with too many sticks right now.From a nation of shopkeepers to a nation of traffic wardens in such a short time.Most of the EU countries delegates sign up to every stupid rule and regulation just so they can go home early,but then they just forget the silliness and go for a few drinkies.Not the UK bunch,oh no,back home,recruit a small army of moronic enforcers and wallop the poor British people.London congestion charges for example, seems sound from the pollution point of view but it has become Stalinist in its application.