Global Warming -The End

[forfi]

Ignoring the nonsense posted above ,let us move swiftly onto some real discussion.Claims that there is a unanimous agreement amongst scientists on any subject is just plain bollocks.There are some 400,000 graduate scientists from Indian universities each year and they are not clamoring to sign up for the IPCC beauty pageant. Many of the researchers that I am in contact with are not in any rush to have their work used to prove or disprove global warming but that will not prevent some alarmist somewhere grasping the work of others to prove some harebrained notion.I will quote again
" After introducing myself, I sat in silence as their discussion continued, which boiled down to this: "We must write this report so strongly that it will convince the US to sign the Kyoto Protocol." Politics, at least for a few of the Lead Authors, was very much part and parcel of the process."

[Bored Wombat]

Originally Posted by forfi

Ignoring the nonsense posted above ,let us move swiftly onto some real discussion.Claims that there is a unanimous agreement amongst scientists on any subject is just plain bollocks.

I didn't say there was a unanimous agreement. I just said that no reputable scientific organisation nor national science academy has released statements contradicting the IPCC. Therefore your claim that most scientists disagree with the IPCC is complete bollocks. But we already knew that because there are no peer reviewed scientific papers that contradict the IPCC's view that the current warming is mostly anthropogenic.

Originally Posted by forfi

There are some 400,000 graduate scientists from Indian universities each year and they are not clamoring to sign up for the IPCC beauty pageant.

Rubbish. Partaking in the IPCC involves a whole lot of reading and reviewing other peoples work. The beauty pageant is to do your own work, and have it recognised. Which is why the Nobel prize is so well deserved. The scientists involved took time from their lives and careers in a thankless task because they felt it was important.

Originally Posted by forfi

I will quote again
[/color] " After introducing myself, I sat in silence as their discussion continued, which boiled down to this: "We must write this report so strongly that it will convince the US to sign the Kyoto Protocol." Politics, at least for a few of the Lead Authors, was very much part and parcel of the process."

And yet 100% of the published research that I am aware of supports the IPCC findings. I am confident that means that over 95% of the published research supports them. Which is why I can say with confidence that for any peer reviewed scientific paper in the last 15 years that claims the recent warming is mostly natural I will be able to find 20 that claim that it is mostly anthropogenic.

No matter how you cherry pick statements from one scientist present at some of the IPCC meetings, the research tells the story strongly and clearly: Global warming is anthropogenic.

[forfi]

Wombat,why don't you take 50 bucks from the till and go get yourself laid.it will open up a whole new world to you and you will be a better person for it.
PS if you happen to be of the female persuasion ask for a man 'ho.The result will be the same.Have a really nice day.

Helping people is a nice thing to do.

[treekiller]

Global Warming Petition

We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December, 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.

There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.

This petition has been signed by over 19,000 American scientists.

[forfi]

Thanks for that Treekiller , I am not playing silly buggers with numbers of scientists except to say that too many of them have sold out.Hard not to I suppose if you have a mortgage and family but thats life.

But back to business,where did the heat come from to melt the 2 mile thick layer of ice which covered our backyards until 15k years or so ago? Was it from folks burning charcoal? mammoths farting methane into the blue yonder? volcanoes?

[Windguy]

There are some 400,000 graduate scientists from Indian universities each year and they are not clamoring to sign up for the IPCC beauty pageant.

No because they are trying to ring me every three minutes trying to sell crap to me. I guess there is more money to be made being a telemarketer.

[forfi]

actually the total is 2 million grads,about 400,000 scientists, so the calls are from the other 1.6m.Stand by your phone for more incoming

[forfi]

Originally Posted by Claire

I also think that there are a lot of business opportunities in reducing emissions - reducing energy use will, if done in a sensible way, offer opportunities for becoming more efficient as a business and with energy costs as they are, it makes sound business sense to reduce waste of energy.
Basically though the more I find out about anything, the less sure I become. So I'm quite sure it's possible I'm wrong, in which case my life's work will all be for nothing, nothing I say.

I am fully behind "going green" after all ,I was one the first into the field,remember that I was one of the first to test the newer forms of lighting.Efficiency and cleaning up pollution go hand in hand,permaculture and less harmful food production are important and your life's work will help to give us a cleaner future.But to claim that the current changes in our climate can be altered by buying a prious is a form of madness.If you look closely at my photo of the raised beaches you will see two lines of cockle shells,one from the end of the last ice age,then comes the Younger Dryas and later more shells,the story of climate is all in our geological record.

I don't really get why people have got so aerated about this thread though. It's good to be challenged on your beliefs. It's good to discuss them with someone who disagrees, so long as you can have a sensible and reasonably polite discussion. Isn't it?

Bless them,they provide a little light relief and it keeps them from doing harm elsewhere

[spot1234]

Originally Posted by forfi

Wombat,why don't you take 50 bucks from the till and go get yourself laid.it will open up a whole new world to you and you will be a better person for it.
PS if you happen to be of the female persuasion ask for a man 'ho.The result will be the same.Have a really nice day.

Helping people is a nice thing to do.

That post tells me everything I need to know about you. Your not funny, just small minded and nasty.

[forfi]

Originally Posted by spot1234

That post tells me everything I need to know about you. Your not funny, just small minded and nasty.

If you and that other paragon of virtue could stick to the topic then all would be peace and harmony,but no,anyone who dares to have any opinion other than yours leaves themselves open to personal attack.Then you start whinging and crying foul when the swift retaliation comes.Whats your complaint? make that a 100 bucks and go forth.
Now can we have some responses to this thread from folks who see the planet as having started some time before 1940 when the aliens landed.

PS for what it is worth I am broad minded and nasty.Peace be with you.