Climate Change due to Global Warming – a hoax?

[nemesis9]

Originally Posted by cbacba

I've understood it since it appeared to be cooling off in a big way. What seems to be missing from your understanding is that increased absorption leads to increased emission (even at constant T).

Nay, increased emission that warms the planet at increasing T. Some may be emitted with no increase it T, but not all, and that little bit is all it takes to cause an increase in T of land and water. And it may be smallish now, but just add up all the years into the future that we might add to this equation with our primitive industrial processes. What then?

[cbacba]

thanks for verfying my point about your understanding.

[icareforyou]

I really appreciate the efforts put in by my friends from the Environment Forum, particularly persistent technical discussions by cbacba and nemesis9 on the contribution of carbon dioxide to the global warming. The forum readers are benefiting a lot by the discussions taking place in the forum.

Everyone may agree that carbon dioxide present in the atmosphere absorbs heat and causes the ambient temperature rise to some small extent. But, the present average level of carbon dioxide in the air may not be the cause for the climate change which we are witnessing today worldwide. I still hold on to the point that the climate change to a large extent is cyclic and natural phenomenon.

The so-called highly developed countries are using the gimmick of “greenhouse gas” to thwart the efforts of some developing countries to industrialize and come in par with the developed countries, and threaten their position globally.

FIRST OPINION

[forfi]

This from the link posted by Treekiller earlier today gives a flavour of the thing.

The amount spent on climate studies worldwide has now reached the astonishingly high level of about $5 billion per year.In the United States alone, more than $2 billion is spent annually for climate studies, not including the costs of satellites, ships, and laboratory construction. Climatologists have obtained this immense amount of funding by creating the vision of a man-made planetary climate catastrophe.

$5billion per year in a hungry war-torn world.Just to satisfy some egos

[icareforyou]

There was a news flash in the national daily ”The Times of India” in Times Global page, which I quote here:

“Wither global warming? New data challenges theory”. It is reported that the data released by four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadleys, Nasa’s GISS, UAH and RSS) show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.

The total amount of cooling, over the period under consideration, ranged from 0.65C up to 0.75C – a value, an expert says, large enough to wipe out nearly all the warming recorded over the past 100 years. Hundreds of people might have died, not by global warming, but from cold weather hazards.

Climatologists will ask for a few more millions to explain this cooling.

forfi is right - in this hungry war-torn world!

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[Windguy]

Originally Posted by forfi

This from the link posted by Treekiller earlier today gives a flavour of the thing.



$5billion per year in a hungry war-torn world.Just to satisfy some egos

$160 billion for the iraq war alone. 13 trillion for a defense system that would fuel another arms race. How about 1.5 billion just to extend a freeway for 15 kilometres.

Science of all types go on no matter what, climate change study is involved in nearly all areas of science, sounds like chicken feed to me.

Private industry would be taking over so they can find how to change their businesses to ensure low losses and possibly some gains from it. Someone could be growing edible cactus as we speak.

[Windguy]

Originally Posted by icareforyou

There was a news flash in the national daily ”The Times of India” in Times Global page, which I quote here:

“Wither global warming? New data challenges theory”. It is reported that the data released by four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadleys, Nasa’s GISS, UAH and RSS) show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.

The total amount of cooling, over the period under consideration, ranged from 0.65C up to 0.75C – a value, an expert says, large enough to wipe out nearly all the warming recorded over the past 100 years. Hundreds of people might have died, not by global warming, but from cold weather hazards.

Climatologists will ask for a few more millions to explain this cooling.

forfi is right - in this hungry war-torn world!

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la nina - extra rain and clouding last and this year, a temporary respite, but the ocean takes years to cool. So expect some big numbers once el nino comes back.

[treekiller]

Originally Posted by Windguy

la nina - extra rain and clouding last and this year, a temporary respite, but the ocean takes years to cool. So expect some big numbers once el nino comes back.

There you go again windguy, practicing your prophecy. Have you happened to notice what the sun has been doing?

[icareforyou]

The two most recent Indian news paper titles:

1. How a catastrophic flood cooled earth: As the temp. rose some 10,000 years ago (due to carbon dioxide?) the ice receded resulting in huge hollows in the ice sheets. The so-called Glacial Lakes held enormous amount of water covering most of the Canada. The lake called Agassiz -Ojibway massively drained into the Hudson Strait and Labrador Sea in 8,200 years ago raising the sea level by over 14 meters. None knows how the flood came about, which affected the climate around the world. The temperature in Western Europe came down by 3 degree C for 200-400 years. This is one of the worst natural disasters which changed the world climate.

2. Now suddenly again global cooling is underway. The world has seen some extraordinary winter condition around the world over the past year.

However, many scientists say that the present cool spell in no way undermines the enormous body of evidence pointing to global warming with disrupted weather patterns.

That means there two differnt situations (natural or man-made), one leading to warming and the other leading to cooling are in existence simultaneously.

More billions of dollars may be needed to identify the causes.

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[cbacba]

I guess it started in holywood several decades ago. Along with the grade d scifi movies of canned theme and often even formula name - 'night of the ______ ' where the west's technology was destroying nature and creating some new monster or another. It then proceded to the era of gross exagerations, usually in violent movie scenes, where the victim was blown back 20 feet after being shot by a BB gun or the like. Later it moved on to more areas of film land and broke out into the general population in the form of unrealistic expectations and improper understanding of the world around and helped form a serious distortion of the feeling of concern in a most unsettling Orwellian sort of way.

The cycle of the perception of global warming and global cooling has been going on for around 100 years. The average duration seems to be about 2 solar cycles or perhaps 25 years. Now it seems the cycle is shifting. The massive momentum of this past cycle - the perception of global warming - has been extra strong relative to the perception cycles of past years. As such, it should be expected that there is also added momentum and corresponding inertia which could cause a bit more unsettled conditions in the state of the current perception shift, most likely too causing a delay or phase shift in the general change in perception.

Of course, with the extreme positive forcings involved in the perception arena, there will quickly be a shift in the perceptions of catastrophic disasters associated both with the perception shift. And, the deniers will be there in their religious zeal denying that perceptions are in fact shifting away from their basic religious tenets, all the while decrying others as be deniers because the others lack faith in those tenets.

As for the climate, it will tend to act like the weather although averaged by a few decades to reduce short term transients. Because of the holywood-ization of the populace, the realization or perception of this change will tend to result in fears of new catastrophes with all new parameters. Instead of burning and drowning, it will be time to freeze. The liklihood of any actual climate change for the colder during the current conditions is most likely limited to the usual short term random fluctuations. However, there is a very slim chance that the sun may actually be changing a bit and might possibly just maybe sort of tend towards the Maunder Minimum - otherwise known as the Little Ice Age. While ice skating in summer is not on most people's list of favorite things to do, it would be considered a double plus ungood (Orwellian Newspeak) sort of event. The prospect of entering the next real iceage however is even far more remote unless conditions change massively - like the big one sized asteroid or a super volcano event or perhaps a not so distant gamma ray burst event in the next arm over in our galaxy.

In any case, the shrinks and snake oil peddlers will be out in force - along with the carbon offset credits hucksters.