View Single Post
  #23 (permalink)  
Old 15th-April-2008, 03:35 PM
LMagic007's Avatar
LMagic007 LMagic007 is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 2,315
LMagic007 will become famous soon enough
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wobs View Post
From your baseload fallacy link we find:
"To replace the electricity generated by a 1000 megawatt (MW) coal-fired power station, with annual average power output of about 850 MW, a group of wind farms with capacity (rated power) of about 2600 MW, located in windy sites, is required. The higher wind capacity allows for the variations in wind power and is taken into account in the economics of wind power."

This shows a complete lack of understanding of the system, and for anyone to cite such a source, it shows that they swallow the idea whole. The UK is no stranger to seeing the whole of Blighty having close to zero wind. Just because a nation sees its wind turbines have a load factor of say 33% does not mean that you treble the capacity and all will be fine. And the uk is not unique in that situation.

It is also the nature of that percentage that needs to be tackled, and that is why such renewables can only provide a low percentage of the total grid requirements.

Do you see what I'm saying?
The point of my post is about Solar Thermal energy and not about wind power at all. Noting the piece on wind power in that article "The Base Load Fallacy" does not address my point. Wind power in the UK which is just one small part of the globe and of no concern to me. Have whatever view you wish on that, but that article concludes that it's a combination of renewables that can replace fossil fuel electricity generating systems. Any sensible view would appreciate that. The article link though was included as just additional information for those interested in considering differing views and to suggest it shows anything else is not only false and misleading but is also a distraction from the point I was making.

My point though was a response to your remark about Solar Energy and not about wind power, hence the vast bulk of links I posted pertaining to Solar Thermal energy technology.

My remark was;
Quote:
Originally Posted by LMagic007
Solar thermal technology is showing great promise for base load generation with capacity factors of 70% or even higher under the right circumstances.


and your cryptic remark about not watching TV at night.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wobs View Post
You obviously don't watch TV at night.
you made in reference to my views on Solar Thermals base load potential and 70% capacity factor when appropriately applied. Also unless I specifically allude to a particular country, my comments are meant in a global context. I'm not fixated on just on part of the world. So again you have failed to address my point on Solar Thermal power in a global context, with any relevant argument.

The reality is that Solar Thermal ( CSP ) with energy storage, projects are going ahead around the world and that's testimony in part, to the point I have been making. We have only seen the beginning of Solar Thermal (CSP) technology and the impact it can have around the globe and the contribution it stands to offer toward helping secure clean base load power for generations to come for many parts of the world.
__________________
Tomorrows realities, emerge from today's dreams. Live the dream !
Cheers, 007
Quote:
Parabolic trough plants could yield capacity factors greater than 70%, competing directly with future baseload coal plants. NREL: TroughNet - Parabolic Trough Power Plant Market, Economic Assessment and Deployment
Green Instantaneous Energy ! Massive Electrical Storage ! Ultracapacitors Minutes Charging
Disclaimer. Interpret posts with discretion. Conduct research and investigations to satisfy your judgement.

Last edited by LMagic007; 15th-April-2008 at 05:18 PM.
Reply With Quote