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Originally Posted by Patred_Cow

And most people and more importantly most informed scientists do not. Localised weather forecasting and general trend predictions based on past observation are vastly different things. Of course areas have micro-climates, otherwise the globe would be utterly uniform climatically and nobody here is ignorant enough to contend that this is the case (or so I sincerely hope). Surely based upon your own quaint logic you must accept that what we are seeing is a global warming simply because the vast majority of these 'micro-climates' are warming quite considerably at the same time...?

Not bothered what most ppl think - consensus means nothing - remember Galileo, etc?
And no, my quaint logic doesn't make me want to jump to averages and certainly not to jump to drastic conclusions to state that a vast majority of places are warming. According to what data? I know, the US and Europe is the whole world. The rest of the planet doesn't count. So your summers are getting hotter in the northern hemisphere, and your winters not quite as cold? Missing your skiing at times when there's supposed to be good slopes? Well guess what, Our summers in the southern hemisphere are not getting any hotter - still waiting patiently for beach weather - nowadays it's really the exception, whereas before it was the rule. Getting snow in winter in places it was unheard of before.

And naturally, "Global" is always "Surface where we want to look". Never hear a peep about what the core & mantle are doing. Increased volcanic activity? Must be caused by lots of methane being released by cows. Certainly can't have anything to do with earth's core temperature fluctuations, eh?

So let's have a look at what the earth's core is doing, shall we? http://www.nov55.com/gbwm.html

Or are we simply going to brush that aside, as we do the sun or any other factor that's not attributable to man?