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Originally Posted by zigglewigler
The previous 'old' and 'new' charts do not disprove the effect of solar activity on the earth's climate.
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- no, the sun does have an effect. But since in about 1975 it's effect isn't enough to explain the warming. That's why one of the lines on the graph presented on TV stopped in 1975.
Regarding the 'old' and 'new' graphs. They are not actually replacements for each other, I should have said 'old information', and 'new information'. The new information clearly shows that the prediction veres off wildly from the original prediction (which did follow the temperature).
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The 'new' chart does not include a plot of solar activity, just actual and predicted temperatures.
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- so you can compare the projections, and see the missing line.
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The red line in the 'old' chart is solar activity, the red line in the 'new' chart is a measure of actual temperature on a different model.
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- I didn't choose the colours. It's fairly obvious. However, notice how the graph presented on the TV did not have a legend explaining the colours, and the sound track doesn't help much either. Niot very scientific at all...
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Originally Posted by zigglewigler
If you look at the original solar/temperature chart, you'll see plenty of divergence over the decades. But the two plots catch up sooner or later.
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- the early divergence (before 1975) is seen to be minor natural variation by most scientists. The major deviation after about 1975 is apparently seen as 'secret' by the presenters, and to main-stream science it shows how the sun cannot be the cause of the later warming.
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Originally Posted by zigglewigler
Even if you were to present a chart showing increased temperatures accompanied by lessening solar activity, which is absolutely not what the 'new' charts shows, you'd be wrong to assume that the hypothesis was flawed, simply because the cause and effect is not instantaneous.
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- would you like to reference a source here?
I'll sub-divide the post here to make further discussion easier.